I've seen a lot of nonsense, but nothing quite like the comment below, which, perhaps fittingly, was posted by an Anonymous under my review of Mark Manson's Models.
Woman are attracted to tall, good looking, rich etc.. that is completely wrong for anyone who actually succeeds in getting a lot of women.
It can be true in college or for stereotypical americans, brainwashed by the media but as sophisticated, exposed, mature adult, its is very disappointing and sad to actually believe thats what women want. It is so far from the truth.
Aaron, I actually think you are only a critic and very book knowledgeable about so called pick up.. maybe you should travel more and interact with different cultures which are less influenced by media and more in touch true attraction. Anyways, you need to interact more with women of high intelligence cause today its not about being tall its about emotional intelligence.. Being short can be a problem though if it comes with confidence issues..
And then women don't like muscled guy, it screams out insecurity.. likewise men who spend time in front of the mirror..
You really have it all wrong when it comes to what women want..
So, sophisticated adult women prefer short, ugly, and poor men over tall, handsome and financially comfortable ones? I can safely stop right here.
Apparently, the animal instincts of attraction can be usurped and revised by your television. Logically, the early human female was much more attracted to the shorter, talkative, defenseless fatskinny manlet, not the tall, muscled superhumanoid that only screams insecurity. You only use those muscles for wrestling mammoths and looking at your reflection in the water you fucking tool!
ReplyDeleteHey Aaron, could I get your opinion on this video?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8fopbq_PBI
Wow.
ReplyDeleteJust wow.
Prime example of a deluded man.
One thing is the brainwashed man who believes in the mainstream "knowledge" about women and seduction (be nice with them, never be too sexual too early, create a emotional connection)...
...And in the opposite side of the spectrum: the PUA's who really believe that "looks don't matter" and all the BS that we know.
The amusing thing is that both sides try to evade the sexual element in relationships. The mainstream says: "Don't be too sexual too early or you're going to be called 'creepy'. Only after X number of dates you can grab her hand/kiss her/have sex with her."
And the PUA? They ACTUALLY say the same shit! Just look at the old MM.
They ALL instill fear to the insecure man, the fear to make a move with the woman, the fear to be in touch with his own sexuality and the feminine sexuality. As simple as that. They all treat sex as something HUGE. And that's the issue.
ignoring the fact that sex is the reason for this whole male and female thing in the first place, do you see 80 old ugly bitches get hit by guys or recieve any attention at all? lol.
Deleteno sex= no interaction. or should i say no desire for sex= no interaction.
Talk to more women? Sure, I heard some 'highly intelligent' women (high educated) don't like guys like this: http://www.doctortipster.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/muscle.png because they are afraid these guys can do better.
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah, I did notice that a lot of lower educated women/girls like people with muscle more than higher educated people. (Or, at least, they say they do). Wonder if muscles means the image I just posted or more this: http://www.shoppedornot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/muscles-shopped-or-not.jpg which is a bit of a strawman.
From my personal exp, people who work out (so just don't look fat), and are tall do better with girls. Helps that these people are usually also interesting, or aggressive sexually. (Being charismatic, able to forge a connection with people, confident etc, also all helps).
To clarify: with aggressive I mean, pushing forward/leading the encounter, not raping people.
Aaron, how do you explain successes of guys like Ross Jeffries??
ReplyDeleteRoss Jeffries doesn't pick up women thanks to his looks but thanks to his effective technology. You should maybe study speed seduction and you'll see that by knowing how to elicit women's attraction process you won't have to care about your looks.
Dude, your shilling wasn't even funny the first time you posted.
DeleteHey Aaron!
DeleteThere has been a recent controversial thread on the Rooshv forum concerning Eastern Europe and I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD READ THE STORY AND THE THREAD!! It's causing a lot of halabaloo and hate:
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-44711-page-7.html
Could you and Alek Novy please read the story and thread while bringing your analysis and debunking skills on? I would gladly appreciate it a lot!
You, my friend, are an envious/bitter guy trying to make a living selling ebooks.. You're quite childish and defensive too.. You should be able to take comments like man ;)
ReplyDeleteI heard about an advanced book from a friend, "Models". A book written by an intelligent, exposed guy with some psychological undercurrents.. I found you whilst looking for a review for him! After reading some of the things you write, I feel bad for you.. you're just trying to make a name for yourself with this blog and you have so little traffic..
I don't like saying nasty things and I'm not theoretically educated in the whole pick up business, just felt like pointing out that you were chatting so much shit and its irritating.. You're not helping anyone, not even yourself.. (This whole operation doesn't make any real money)
For the sarcastic genius, Tropher, tastes change with time and yes they are partially influenced by the media for quite complex psychological reasons pertaining to belongingness and all sorts of other social needs/habits. Let me dumb it down for you; a long time ago fat, pale, women with pink cheeks were highly sought ofter given the image it portrayed at the time.. being slim and tanned probably meant you worked in the sun all day, had rough hands etc.. likewise, size zero was not in any way attractive too long ago..
What does not change with time is dominance, power, confidence etc.. if you dominate the room you are in, it trumps all physical traits..
I'm not sure if I'll pop back in here but I might; not sure i'll be able to resist what the Oh So Great aaron sleazy who has girls begging to sleep with him has to bark in defense of his fragile ego ;)
All the best,
You live in a fantasy world. Guys like Mark Manson and other hucksters try making a living selling "information", which is why they have to appeal to the stupidity and gullibility of guys like you. Obviously, you do believe that "personality" matters. Guess what, there are hucksters who target women, and to make them feel good, they tell them that "inner beauty" counts and that only shallow men want attractive women. Do you notice the parallels?
DeleteAlso, joker, tell me how a short, poor, unattractive guy is going to "dominate the room". In a club people won't even notice them. If you want to bring up some rich guy now, then please let me remind you that you fantasize that you can have success with women without money.
he can bring a gun and dominate the room, what money looks and social connections cant bring, raping and threatening can?
Deletealso right aaron makes money from all this and shit? when he posts so rarely, while someone like manson posts a new post every 5 minutes. he is really trying to make a name for himself? and suck money out of selfhelp?
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Fat, pale, women with pink cheeks? Maybe that's because that and worse was all there was back then. If you think girls looking like the 10s of today were running around back then wishing they could get noticed, you're absolutely mistaken. With gyms and healthy food readily available, it's a matter of hygiene and modern equipment. What you said is like saying "Well, cavemen liked hairy women back then".
Delete"he can bring a gun and dominate the room, what money looks and social connections cant bring, raping and threatening can?"
DeleteIndeed. In pleistocene women were often targets of rape and male aggression. Preference for tall and muscular men evolved because such men could protect her and her children from aggressors. However, invention of firearms made height and muscularity obsolete signals. Ask yourself why Benedict Cumberbatch, for many considered to be conventionally unattractive, got so much female attention after his role of villain Khan in latest Star Trek movie. We can safely assume it has much to do with that scene in which he slaughtered entire Klingon squad with that big laser gun. It is just one of the examples how big gun can trump conventional signals of being a strong protector. For more examples take a look at westerns and gangster movies.
Read more on: BigGunAttraction.com
Are you serious? A cgi scene of alien action is the only thing making Hubert Cucumberdale-whatever hot to women? not the fact that he's tall, lean, well dressed, dark, deep voiced, and has a sexy british accent? It was the fake scene that not many people saw that made him hot, huh. I'm going to have an anyuerism reading these. I don't see how Aaron has the patience.
DeleteMan, I'm pretty sure this comment was ironic. A parody of the PUAs' pseudo-evolutionary psychology bullshit^^.
DeleteCome on guys, this comment was not serious. A stupid comment filled with personal attacks, a no true scotman, strange appeals, projection etc. On a post about stupid comments. Of course this is fake.
DeleteEither the most stupid comment or the most sarcastic. Could comic relief for the blog, however.
ReplyDeleteAaron and to all others, you will find this very interesting and a confirmation of the ideas spread around here:
ReplyDeletehttp://tinderrage.blogspot.ca/
There's no surprise there. Women appraise looks (fundamentals, as you say) first and foremost. So much so, that they'll completely dismiss your so called "game" and want you strictly for your genetic stock. I can't believe I was fooled by the PUA community for years but I have seen the light and while it isn't pretty, I can at least live with myself better and know that I'm not being fooled anymore. Seriously, check that link out.
What the girls reply should make it quite clear to guys that don't get it, that women WANT DICK AND YOU NEED TO BE PUSH FORWARD
DeleteOf course they want dick. The problem, though, is that it matters a lot whose dick it is, as countless guys who get nowhere with "cock/funny" and other bullshit ideas will eventually realize.
DeleteWhat apps like tinder, hot or not, and to a similar extent plenty of fish, show, is that women are into guys for their looks, and they want to have sex with guys cause of their looks. Ergo looks/style are the most important thing in terms of getting attraction from the opposite sex. If you are meet her looks threshold, she will be willing to have sex with you.
Deletecani
Aaron,
DeleteI know that you mention sexual stereotyping a lot, but you could perhaps do a post on this. You see, when I was browsing through that link, you could see a lot of guys who were attractive in some kind of way. They were all attractive, but they would off course attract different women.
I was wondering whether or not, you could delve into this topic a bit more. I think it's more important, because, when you realize what you're main strengths are (cute face, eyes, height, muscles etc.), you can really start using it to you're advantage.
Geert, I discuss this topic in great detail in my books Minimal Game and Club Game.
DeleteThanks for the tip!
DeleteAre you fucking kidding me ?
DeleteDoes anyone even have experience with online ?
95% of these girls are gonna flake. You should know that women are very comfortable behind a screen but when it comes to actually meet...
And on how do you think they would flake the most, dear troll? On an ugly guy or the attractive guys mentioned in the link?
DeleteI'm not a troll. Fuck you.
DeleteI have experience with online, contrary to you.
Fuck you again, because you talk without experience.
Fuck you.
What I find laughable about Tinder is that there is large number of people who think personality&biography will get them laid. One guy on reddit gave sensible advice to play the numbers game ie. average guy should go through as many girls possible without wasting time reading their biography and select at least 100 girls he finds acceptable based on their pictures.
DeleteGeneral reaction on reddit was that it is douchebag behavior and he shouldn't spread that kind of advice. Then some PUA guy chimed in and vomited typical drivel about how you how to man up and become alpha male. Not surprisingly latter advice got much much more upvotes than former one.
I saw just a small fraction of that site. I'm just pissed. Not by the fact that women prefers attractive men, but the fucking hypocrisy of "dating advice" that women and the mainstream supplies to lonely and embittered males.
Delete"You can't get girls? You aren't being nice enough!" BULLSHIT. That kind of absurd drivel is what fuels the PUA machine. Women and people are just too afraid to be politically incorrect. Too afraid to say "You can't get girls? Maybe is because you're too anxious with girls and also you're neglecting your looks. Would you fuck an untidy/ugly girl? Then get your shit together, change your clothes and go to the gym, and stop complaining." But we live in the "feel good" age, where no-one-is-wrong.
Come on, I thought this site was about finding your niche and not bullshit like PUAhate !
DeleteDude, even if you are 10 male lawyer, you will never get a 5 hip-hop chick.
Come on, guys.
Being good-looking or tall OUTSIDE your niche is totally useless.
Everytime I approach a woman outside my niche, she's fucking rude to me and looks at me as if I was a loser. Even if I'm much better looking than her.
Damn, this comment section = PUAhate 2.0
Where are you Alek Novy ? I miss you. :(
When you think it can't get dumber, a comment like yours comes along. Height is a universally attractive feature (barring extremes like being 6'8" or something like that). I'll give someone else the opportunity to rip you a new one for your comment regarding good looks.
DeleteWell, explain why I can't get women 20cm shorter than me and worse looking than me outside of my niche.
DeleteHow tall are you, and what is your niche?
DeleteI'm 6'3", which puts me in the top 1 or 2 % heigh-wise. For some reason, though, quite a few women react very positively towards me, no matter what their niche is. It's the same with every other tall guy I know.
Did he just say a 10/10 male lawyer will NEVER get a 5/10 hip hop chick? Nope, I wash my hands of this stupidity. Someone thinks very lowly of the average looking chick who likes hip hop.
DeleteOr he could just make things up. He's apparently dripping in insecurity.
Delete"Everytime I approach a woman outside my niche, she's fucking rude to me and looks at me as if I was a loser. Even if I'm much better looking than her."
DeleteActually good looking guys like Paul Janka or Chris from GLL get about 7% of girls they approach. I think 5% is reasonable for most guys who take basic care of their appearance.
In social circles women feel more comfortable showing their interest so naturally your "batting average" will be higher when you approach a girl who seems to be receptive. But you attractiveness is the same in both contexts. You will probably attract same 5-7% women in niches that you would in colder environments. Only difference is how comfortable those women are expressing their attraction to you.
Of course if you are top dog in your niche in terms of popularity or wealth then things might be different. Male to female ratio plays a huge role as well.
I'm 183 cm barefoot and 190 cm with elevator shoes.
DeleteExcuse me, "girls reacting positively to you ?" Damn, I didn't know you sold your soul to PUA. It doesn't mean shit, just like phone numbers and making out !
Me too, I have plenty of girls that react well to me, I barely fuck 10% of them ! Just because a girl is attracted to you doesn't mean she will actually fuck you ! You should know that ! I fucking don't care about the women that are attracted to me, I just care about the women that will actually fuck me. Period.
Also, my experience tells me that girls are ultimately looking for relationships therefore if they are only physically attracted to you then they are only few chances that they will fuck you. Or did they lie to me and the cock carousel theory is actually right ? (Hint : average girl fucks 4-5 men in her lifetime. Wow, I totally suspect that only 4-5 males better looking than her hit on her in her lifetime...)
Feel free to tell me I'm a loser and that's my fault if I only fuck 10% of the women attracted to me. (Hint : that's not my fault.)
Damn, I totally agree on fundamentals being : looks, status and money but I totally disagree saying it's enough to fuck women.
Hey Aaron I brought and read the book Club Game. So let me get this straight all I do is
Delete1. Look/ Dress my best
2. Choose a venue with the type of girls I like
3. Scope the scene
4. Look for a girl that is showing signs of interest
5. Go over grab her by the waist on intro
6. If she likes it leave with her, if she doesn't move on
If it's this simple, I'm wondering why more guys aren't doing it. Call me a skeptic,
but I'll try it. I also didn't know where to post if I had some questions regarding the book.
Well, the devil is in the detail. For one, you shouldn't assume the absolute best case, i.e. that she's 100% into you the moment she sees you.
DeleteYou can ask questions regarding the book on my forum. Thanks for the support!
To the Anonymous two posts above: those positive reactions include countless occasions that amounted to me having my dick in her. Jesus, how fucking dumb are you?
DeleteNo, girls are NOT primarily looking for a relationship. If this is all you get then you're simply not attractive enough. You're apparently the kind of guy girls like to settle down with because they are easy to control, while they dream to get fucked by a guy like me. I made a post regarding the cock carousel some time ago, but to add a point specifically for you: one of the reasons there is no cock carousel is that there are simply not enough hot, available guys around to make this viable in the long term, so her choices are fucking some losers they are barely attracted to, while lusting after some stud who might do them if he just can't be arsed to make any effort --- and then he's gone again. This is also why girls complain that they can't get guys into a relationship. Yes, they can't get the hot guys into a relationship, while the spineless losers would marry them on the spot.
Hey Aaron, I was the guy who brought your book. I read the post above me and I feel similar. Every girl I try to get with has a boyfriend, and he's not that hot stud. I dare to say that I'm better looking & taller (5'11''). Most girls don't have enough experience and simply buy the 1st car on the lot in my experiences. I've had plenty of girls be attracted to me without sex. I've even escalated when they've been attracted only to be repeled really badly. All in all though I don't feel the average woman is very horny, like everyone says - because if she was - the standard for her getting off wouldn't be so high. When you're hungry you eat, when you're starving you'll eat almost anything. Woman seem to be beggars AND choosers. This isn't a solid viewpoint, but I think girls use sex to get us to love them and stay with them, because they are really boring empty people with no real value or life, except the man on her arm and the opinion that comes with it. Maybe I just hang around prudes....where are the sluts?
DeleteAs I said, boyfriend = safe choice. Also, why would you hit on girls who have a boyfriend anyway? It's different if they are going out "to dance" and are actively looking for cock, but hitting on a girl whom you know is in a relationship is quite a waste of time, particularly if you're not much better looking than the average.
DeleteAlso, I strongly suspect you mistake women being nice to you with attraction. Did they allow you to touch them, did they touch you, did you kiss?
"All in all though I don't feel the average woman is very horny, like everyone says - because if she was - the standard for her getting off wouldn't be so high"
DeleteWomen can be horny for different reasons (having read some romance novel, seen some porn, hormones etc)...But guys who are hot (in her opinion, ie genetic not thinking) will also make them horny too.
Maybe you are not as hot as you think.
As soon as she says boyfriend, you should jus leave, unless she is showing lots of interest, then you can ignore.
So true Sleazy, women complain that they cant keep their man especially those they are in love with (or those who are hot and/ or good in bed), and it is those men that are so called bad for them which they want to keep (or maybe that is what women backward rationalise). With these hot guys, they cannot or find it hard to talk about what they want in the first place (ie commitment) cause they are afraid of losing him, so they get all passive angry!
No, I find out they have a boyfriend after I've tried to move forward or escalate. I consider myself pretty good at reading signals, and only pursue women that give the go head - I learned that very early on. I'm sure I'm not the only guy who got the signal, moved in and then got turned away right?
Delete@ Cani - Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm not as good looking as I think I am. But I'm never going to look like Hercules, most of us never will. This doesn't bother me. So you say women can be horny for different reasons and guys that are attractive to her will turn her on. So looking like Hercules will turn some girls on and others won't do anything because she likes the slim indie rock guys. Well then it's a crap shoot, and doesn't matter if I am hot (reasonably) or not since I will appeal to some women, and repel others. My dick doesn't get hard at every girl I see. I think I really only get hard when sex seems imminent, and I consider myself a very horny person with medium standards. It stands to reason if I'm a 6 on the horny scale, and women are "supposedly" twice that, than they would be screwing anything half decent all the time, because it would be uncontrollable. But most are in relationships for the emotional need. I don't think you know what ur talking about. Girls maybe horny, but expressing it is another monster all together. Concept and reality are two different things. One can say they are horny, but not acting on it, means that you are not. Not to mention the fantasy of sex plays into women's imaginary foreplay. Unlike for us males reality is our domain for sex- not tv shows, books, and articles. Even here we are discussing real life strategies on how to sleep with bitches in real life, as opposed to women reading articles, horoscopes, watching movies and discussing the drama of relationships to get their sexual kicks - all of those equaling "horny" but no sexual action taken. I don't think women are holding out sex for that guy that makes them really horny. Just Like I wouldn't hold out sex unless I'm really horny. "Sorry, This girl is okay, but ya know she just isn't getting me horny." Is that what you say? Of course not. You'd get yourself there because you're a sexual being. So if women are MORE horny, they wouldn't starve themselves waiting for that perfect guy to turn them on, they would get themselves there with someone else. Women in general are not a horny as men. PERIOD. I used to have that philosophy, but after trial and error (and maybe a bias from not getting laid as frequently) I abandoned it. Mainly because I was getting turned down, so I said "Well, if she's not horny for me, who's nailing this girl?, what type of guy nails this type of girl?" and sure enough they would either stay single, waiting for something better, or get with some guy that was average (not that average is bad) after mr. perfect didn't show up. not Hercules. I would find it more comforting to lose out on a chick if the guy was rich, handsome, & muscular, because then you could understand and justify why she chose 1 over the other. I'm a very black & white person. If you're not ready to fuck on the 1st date, then obviously you're not as horny as I am.
I don't think you're as good at reading signals as you claim. If you escalate and then get the "I have a boyfriend" line, it means that she's not sexually interested, and never was. You're mistaking politeness for sexual availability.
DeleteHahaha, Aaron you are so modest. You are the only guy on this earth that fucks 100% of the girls he approaches, the only on who girls don't flake, the only that never gets LMR, etc. :)
DeleteCome see me and you will see if I'm not good-looking.
Thanks for the compliment, you are fucking dumb too. Why are you married if boyfriend/husband always = dumb unattractive losers ?
I merely said that you cannot really get girls outside of your niche. But of course I should trust you and keep approaching these fucking girls that are rude to me for no reason, while I could just talk to these girls (from my niche) that like me and respect me.
I didn't say I was only getting girlfriends. I always fuck on first or second date. I get ONS too but it's totally NOT worth it. Just because a girl is attracted to you doesn't mean she's sexually available and even if she's available it doesn't mean she is horny and will act on her attraction. The impression I have when I read the comment section is : "look like Brad Pitt, girls will throw themselves at you and if girls don't throw themselves at you then you are ugly". Wait... didn't Alek Novy talked about this not so long ago ? He was talking about PUA tho. Well, I have the same impression when I read comments on this blog.
I never claimed that kind of success rate. However, due to experience paired with common sense my flake rate was very low, and LMR is indeed something I can't relate to.
DeleteAbout relationships: If the initial response you get from girls is that they only consider you for a possible boyfriend role, then you're almost by definition a loser. On the other hand, if you fuck them the same night and she can't get enough of your cock...
Yes, you can get girls outside your social circle. If they're rude, you're doing something wrong (misreading signals, social awkwardness, bad look for your niche, hitting on girls way out of your league etc.).
Oh, Mr. "I only pull chicks from my social circle" now fucks on the first date. GTFO.
ONS not worth it? I take it you never banged the shit out of some horny chick with a killer body. Sex is different if it's only for one night.
Sexual attraction and sexual availability are not the same, but without the former you won't experience the latter. Further, is she's sexually attracted she's horny. Are you sure you got the basics of human sexual biology down? I feel as if I'm conversing with someone who doesn't leave his apartment much.
Your final statement is just something you made up. We've discussed relative attraction and what you can do to improve your batting average ad nauseam on this blog.
Djeezes Aaron, I don't get how you can remain so patient.
DeleteYou should really do something about that temper of yours :p
Hmm I don't understand the mindset of boyfriend = loser. Most women want to be in relationships, if only to have something to talk about and someone to break up with. Even sluts are looking for that special guy, they just fuck faster to see. Most good-looking women are never single..... so the guy that bangs them is a loser? I read your books Aaron thinking you made sense but on this forum, you're not really defending your positions very well.
Delete"Just because a girl is attracted to you doesn't mean she's sexually available and even if she's available it doesn't mean she is horny and will act on her attraction"
This statement is 100% true. Some females are impulsive and act on attraction, others don't for a myriad of reasons (religion, upbringing, shy), and nothing will get them to change otherwise. Some girls will absolutely not fuck on the 1st date - it's got nothing to do with you. Lets just assume we are all reasonably attractive, have good fashion, and don't look like Greek-gods
So what mindset should I have when I'm going out trying to score? This is important to me
As I said before, if all you get is women immediately auditioning you for the boyfriend role, they see you as the safe option. On the other hand, they willingly fuck guys who make them horny (and those they try, often in vain, to reel into a relationship afterwards). We've discussed this phenomenon on both my blog and forum, so feel free to look around a bit.
DeleteYou're read my books, so read them again. This might make things a bit clearer for you. You might also realise that not everything that seem to be "100 % true" to you actually is.
See now you're trying to spin doctor. If a girl is auditioning you for a boyfriend role, but screws other guys with no pretense then sure you're a safe option.
DeleteWe are talking about girls that are looking for a boyfriend and are only going to fuck their potential mate (once a certain internal criteria is met)
It's as simple as : I want you to be my boyfriend, so I will fuck you
or
:We're sorta together now, so lets fuck
I've been both - the guy screwing the chick trying to rope me into a relationship and the guy who has to kiss ass till the dumb bitch feels comfortable dropping her pretense. You still didn't answer my question on mindset.
I did answer you question on "mindset". Read Club Game.
DeleteAre you certain that the girls who were auditioning you didn't fuck other guys on the side? I'd say a lot of guys whose wife/girlfriend fucks other dudes behind his back don't suspect anything either.
Also, note that you are contradicting yourself. Assume a girl who really only wants to fuck guys she's in a serious relationship with. Then such a "dumb bitch" won't drop her pretence because there is no pretence to be dropped.
Furthermore, it's not necessarily a matter of her having to "feel comfortable". That kind of woman is in control of her sexuality, and not the other way around. You might have noticed that women who use sex as a bargaining chip exhibit a high level of self-control in general. She's probably ready to fuck you within a few days, but won't because she first has to find out what you have to offer in terms of resources.
I'm using dumb bitch as a term to refer to the woman - nothing more nothing less. "Feel comfortable" is an umbrella term encompassing whatever hang-ups she has for not screwing right away.
DeleteI don't like to get mired in the semantics of lexicon dude
point blank: there are chix down to fuck quickly, and others who aren't despite attraction. I don't have to prove this point since it's just true. I'll worry more about fucking than writing for now though.
If you can't express yourself clearly, then you can't think clearly, since language is the mirror of your thoughts.
DeleteMr. Sleazy, I have to disagree with you. Anonymous claims he was reading signs when he suddenly got the "I have a boyfriend" line. You claim that that means she was never interested. Wrong, sir. Some women will throw that line out as another obstacle for the man. Women in my part of the country are notorious for this. I speak from experience when I say it has little worth.
DeleteI'm rather certain that even in your "part of the country" any woman would almost immediately jump at the cock of a 10/10 male. If she's into you you don't have to deal with any obstacles.
DeleteAaron,
ReplyDelete"Of course they want dick" - it's not obvious to a lot of men and wasn't to me for a long time either!
If somebody here is still unsure about women wanting dicks, go immediately read this web page. It's about female perspective of penetration... You''ll see what they tell to each other about what it feels like to have a dick within themselves. When I read that, I had the impression that what they feel is far superior to what men feel. Sometimes I think society is a huge scam, they promote nice guy's behaviors (= begging for women's favors) where in fact related to sex I think that women have a lot less to offer than men but we, men, are socially programmed to think the opposite.
Deletehttp://www.aphroditewomenshealth.com/xf2/threads/female-perspective-of-penetration.7454/
Haha, pay attention to what women say, not who they choose! Sure, that will work!
ReplyDeleteI agree with the people mentioned above. I'm also pissed off at the type of mainstream bullshit, us men, are being fed. What's even more disturbing is that, these women, will later on be mothers and probably give their suns the same advice.
ReplyDeleteSleazy, what's you're take on this? Do you think it's a game women play? I'm more inclined to think about it that way. If you've heared women talk about men, you'll know what I mean. Basically, they socially condition the men, to do whathever they want.
You should read esther villa book, "the manipulated man", That will answer quite a few things about this.
Deletehttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Manipulated-Man-Esther-Vilar-ebook/dp/B0047745S0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423494666&sr=8-1&keywords=the+manipulated+man
this is like the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, women suck value
Deleteof course they feel entitled and have to manipulate and use deception to make
it look like the men actually gain something when in fact he doesnt(so he let her such si she can be parasite) and when he thinks its bad she will convince why its not her fault that he got chewed over by her parasitic sucking(oh you did out of your own free will-yea by spreading misinformation) so she can protect the parasitic doing, basically she is like a poilitcian scamming the masses to benefit them.
Hey Cani
DeleteI havn't raed the book yet, so I only skimmed the pages that were available on Amazon. I definelty agree with most of what she wrotes, but I feel that the most important lesson to be learned out of this is, whom to invest in. I think this is the biggest mistake men make, when dealing with women, the moment that a women shows event he slightest ammount of interest, they're sold.
You can see the same when you go out in mixed groups and you have beautifull women around in the group. Some guys seems to suddenly focus only on the women and forget the people they came to the even with, in the first place.
I'm not per se anti that type of behavior described by Esther Villar, since every interaction between a man and a women is basically a trade (you do this, I do that etc). But I think it's important to know at least some of the mechanics behind it, that way, you minimize your chances of being screwed over in the end.
At least that's my take, curious to hear yours
Esther Vilar's books on the matter (Manipulated Man, The Polygamous Sex, The Ende of Manipulation) are intellectually brilliant, insightful and a great read - highly recommended!
DeleteAs far as a general and more realistic attitude towards women is concerned, I think those books on the one hand help you to discard some myths and misconceptions that benefit women and which women like to encourage in men. Having ssid that, I'd say it's nevertheless beneficial to maintain a loving attitude and not automatically assume the worst about women. Yes, they act the way they act and they have their "biological calling" to fullfill, but it still is possible to occasionally encounter a girl, whom you really like apart from her being fuckable and who is worth to emotionally invest in.
The problems with books like " the manipulated man", is that it opens your eyes to things and it is so hard to go back to how you thought of women, or any subject that opened your eyes to.
DeleteBut you cant be angry at women, yes they want stuff and want to fulfil their biology, but knowing this is freeing and also can cause one to be angry (Especially if on the receiving end).
But keeping women at an arms length is the wrong way to go about it. Yes this society is based on pleasing women, and giving them lots of legal benefits. But there are ways to avoid this. There are some good women, with good character out there, although hard to find, they exist. You can spot a gold digger very easily, you can spot women who will be crap mothers or get in to debt etc. It is just takes time and observations of the women in different situations and how they act, what their habits are, how they were raised. Even a religious upbringing helps promote good values. Being in certain societies also.
So being open, treating women not as goddesses will do you better.
The key take away that I got from this book, is about power dynamics...those who appear weak and useless and get other to do or buy stuff for them or look after them, are generally the more powerful group...women have been doing this for years and it is society that lets them do this. But in situations where everyone must look after themselves (ie disaster scenarios, poor society, lack of protection from state or family) they are screwed and most resort to doing what the man wants to survive.
Yeah I agree with that, it's good to take some of the blinders off, but best to keep an open attitude.
DeleteOfftopic- hey Sleaze, whattdaya think of that Julian Edelman post-sex selfie of a tinder chick?
ReplyDelete=> http://www.stern.de/lifestyle/leute/sex-mit-julian-edelman-frau-schlaeft-mit-football-star-und-macht-heimlich-ein-selfie-2171689.html
Interesting. It's amusing that both men and women pointed out to her that she shouldn't brag about fucking some famous guy. Did the feminist press take this into account as well? ;)
DeleteI do agree that looks are important, but I was in a stage where while first dates were easy, second dates were hard because "the chemistry wasn't there" or "I just don't see us in that context." These were online, but my pictures were only 2 months old at most.
ReplyDeleteThat's why sexual escalation is important. Getting laid from online dating should be relatively easy if you get her to meet up. The problem, though, is that quite a few women seem to be using pictures that don't adequately reflect how they look (photoshopped/years younger etc.)., which is then why they might find it difficult to get a second date, or the guy to stay for more than two or three minutes.
DeleteYet again, the RooshV forum is oblivious to sane men with logical and true conclusions about the intersexual dynamics between men and women:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-45095.html
The OP raises many valid points but the other forum members are too attached to their ideologies to see the light. Instead, as always, they resort to circular arguments and comments of "that type of talk is self defeating you loser!!"
Haha, that's the Roosh clan for you.
DeleteThis a bit unrelated, but I stumbled upon this beauty:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jvIP6VRxWhY/TiIp39v38WI/AAAAAAAAKb8/VdnDEqPie4A/Savoy%252520Album%2525201%252520Pua%252520Savoy%252520Nick.jpg
Is that a Lovesystems instructor behind Savoy and that HB blond 10 he's sitting with? Damn, that must have taken some serious "game" to get that kind of woman. Looks like he's in the qualifying phase?
How recent is this picture? I don't remember Savoy ever having been in good shape but in that shot he looks pretty horrible. Where are the Jabba the Hutt references?
DeleteI think it's a bit of an older pic.
DeleteThen again, looks don't matter that much anyways.
Take it away Savoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVjPLtpKzYY
And here's your Jabba-reference!
Delete"Sa-poograh-zheee... ho-ho-ho-ho-ho..." ;)
Having said that, one of the most fascinating details about Savoy in all of his little vids is the way he constantly blinks and keeps moving his head around while presumably imparting truth from the mountain to his gullible audience. Try to focus only on his constant blinking and head movement - it's really weird ;}
Talking about "weirdness" – here's the German equivalent to Nick Savoy, Maximilian Pütz, chiming in! He even presents his very tummy as living proof, that "you don't need muscles to get girls" and tells us the moving tale of a "female friend" of his, who left her current GF ("a Versace model"), to further prove his point. Nice!
DeleteSorry for all those excluded, who don't speak German… I just thought, this vid would be a nice addition to the Savoy bit above. ;)
Max, the stage is yours!
=> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl9C0onghV4
That's so true Marco. He looks like he doesn't believe what he's saying.
DeleteThe funniest thing Savoy has ever said has to be in relation to meeting women in coffee shops.
He tells you to sit close to a woman you find attractive, but not to approach right away. He recommends giving it about 5-10 minutes so she can get comfortable with your presence. Yeah, that won't creep women out or anything.
It's actually insane how weird these gurus are. PIck a normal guy, with normal social skills and let him approach women and he'll do ten times better. Off course he would have to listen to his instincts and it's this part, that pu gurus tend to destroy.
DeleteI think http://tubecrush.net would dispel any notion that looks do not matter. Look at the pics and look at the commentary (they are along the lines of, 'that guy is hawt, yum yum' etc.
ReplyDeleteThe upside is that, while it takes effort and work, any guy can up his looks by eating right, exercising and dressing a little better. It's not that hard!