tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post241455384349424965..comments2023-05-17T08:14:10.789-07:00Comments on Men, Women, and Society: Review: Models by Mark MansonAaron Sleazyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-54754093908222721682015-02-02T05:19:21.842-08:002015-02-02T05:19:21.842-08:00Woman are attracted to tall, good looking, rich et...Woman are attracted to tall, good looking, rich etc.. that is completely wrong for anyone who actually succeeds in getting a lot of women. <br /><br />It can be true in college or for stereotypical americans, brainwashed by the media but as sophisticated, exposed, mature adult, its is very disappointing and sad to actually believe thats what women want. It is so far from the truth.<br /><br />Aaron, I actually think you are only a critic and very book knowledgeable about so called pick up.. maybe you should travel more and interact with different cultures which are less influenced by media and more in touch true attraction. Anyways, you need to interact more with women of high intelligence cause today its not about being tall its about emotional intelligence.. Being short can be a problem though if it comes with confidence issues..<br /><br />And then women don't like muscled guy, it screams out insecurity.. likewise men who spend time in front of the mirror..<br /><br />You really have it all wrong when it comes to what women want..<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-12125173624295383452014-01-07T03:04:55.483-08:002014-01-07T03:04:55.483-08:00So, how is a PUA in his late 20s who seemingly has...So, how is a PUA in his late 20s who seemingly has never had a long-term relationship going to give advice to the guy you describe? You're only conjecturing, my friend. It's 2004 all over again. Back then you had virgins or guys with very little sexual experience trying to tell other men how to get laid, and today you've got "lifestyle coaches" talking about financial success, when all they did was talking about financial success (cf. Tony Robbins, the Rich-Dad-Poor-Dad guy, or all those shady internet marketers), and rebranded pickup gurus who now babble about "honesty" and whatnot. Let me tell you a secret: banging a handful attractive women will do more for your confidence and feeling of self-worth, particularly if you feel bad about your lack of success with women, than reading any kind of mental masturbation about your "sense of purpose".Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-16806039075629422572014-01-02T12:02:27.547-08:002014-01-02T12:02:27.547-08:00I've read all three authors...and more than th...I've read all three authors...and more than their free material. I've also read a dozen other authors including yours (which I enjoyed). <br /><br />My point was you can give a crazy, insecure, mommy issues, 20 something year old dude both Gun and Janka's books and in the long run, they'll fail in the relationship department. You can give that some person Manson's book and if they take to heart the inner game theory, they'll be better off in the long run than the guy using Gun and Janka's books. In addition, he'll be able to use Janka's day game numbers approach style of game and Gun's sexual vibe strategy much more efficiently. However it still comes down to the fact that when you're 50, the woman you wake up next to doesn't give a f*ck about how well you kino escalate or how well your triangle gazing creates sexual tension. She will give a f*ck about your integrity, sense of purpose and your ability to be comfortable with the person you've become. Models does a better job addressing this fact of life than any other PUA book I've come across.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-35324025780126412872014-01-01T10:12:23.758-08:002014-01-01T10:12:23.758-08:00Gawker, Kotaku, Jezebel and all the other blogs in...Gawker, Kotaku, Jezebel and all the other blogs in that vein do sensationalist reporting for the purpose of increasing their click count. I know the Janka article you are referring to. It was pretty shady journalism. Their aim was to make him look like a stalker or rapist. Too bad you didn't reflect critically on it.<br /><br />I've written about Gunwitch before, and you could easily have found this with a quick search. There is good information in the free book he published. His criminal behavior is a whole 'nother story. But, hey, maybe send off an application to Gawker. I'm sure they could use a guy like you.<br /><br />I'm not sure I get why you're promoting Mark Manson. I can't remember anything on marriage and decade-long relationships in his book.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-76749271220911607842013-12-26T16:08:42.003-08:002013-12-26T16:08:42.003-08:00Paul Janka has got abit of a advantage over most m...Paul Janka has got abit of a advantage over most men though as he is tall and good looking. Although I don't believe looks are the be all and end all of meeting females (I have two equally good looking male friends who one does very well and the other ordinary with females) it is half the battle. Therefor Paul Janka is already half way there to seal the deal - all he has to do is play a mediocre game and he gets the chick. Whereas a ordinary guy needs to work allot harder to get the same results.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-30406292475257145822013-12-26T15:33:18.461-08:002013-12-26T15:33:18.461-08:00Haha, Aaron you had me until you said Gunwitch and...Haha, Aaron you had me until you said Gunwitch and Paul Janka. Gawker clowned the sh*t out of Janka and pretty much made him sound like a stalker and rapist. And "make the ho say no" Gun shot a girl in the face. <br /><br />That's the problem with a lot of pickup and seduction artists that I feel Manson attempts to address. These guys have deep emotional problems. Not only that, but while the models these guys come up with may have short term success, they don't stand the test of time. Few guys want to be 75 years old running game in a nightclub or supermarket line. The ideal is to be married telling stories to your grandkids. The problem with too many pickup models is that they lose sight of the long game and develop models that end up hurting guys when they have to deal with the reality of marriage and decade long relationships. Or they just end up shooting women in the face like the author Gunwich. Google "Butchering the Alpha Male," by Mark Manson to see a well-written post on why 99% of pickup is damaging in the long term.<br /><br />Manson seems to be the first to take a good stab at an inward out approach toward dating. Not only that, the guy's blog is gold. You can put on the different bainaid solutions that Janka and Gunwich offer, but if you're inner game isn't solid, you're likely to fall short.<br /><br />I'm still laughing that you left out a major piece of information about Gun. "Gunwich wrote some pretty good stuff....ah before he shot some girl in face." Hahaha! However to be fair, if you're inner game is in line, he has some useful tactics on vibing and nonverbal sexual escalation. I'd rather stick with someone who doesn't shoot people in the face though...say the early material from 60 Years of Challenge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-21625727024861960302013-10-08T01:38:07.599-07:002013-10-08T01:38:07.599-07:00I mention a couple on my forum. For instance, I wa...I mention a couple on my forum. For instance, I was pretty impressed by Paul Janka's Getting Laid in NYC (apart from the last part where he recommends getting girls drunk). Also, Gunwitch wrote some pretty good stuff. Recently, a reader of the blog told me about Bishop and posted a few quotes. I haven't gotten hold of Bishop's book yet, but the excerpts did look pretty promising.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-35140620315543600542013-10-07T23:50:27.087-07:002013-10-07T23:50:27.087-07:00I am curious Aaron, if you don't recommend thi...I am curious Aaron, if you don't recommend this, what you book or resources do you recommend besides your own?Randomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-25860701683030886662013-08-05T16:05:44.104-07:002013-08-05T16:05:44.104-07:00Did I write "... and lanky"? It should h...Did I write "... and lanky"? It should have been an "or".<br /><br />Thanks for the feedback! Needless to say, I don't hold those PUA charlatans who lie to their audience in particularly high regard. On the other hand, it's also sad that there are guys who just don't think critically at all. I heard a suitable statement about that some time ago, even though it was said in a different context. Paraphrased, it was something like: "When nature doesn't confirm your hypotheses, it's better to revise or drop your hypothesis instead of hoping that nature will change its mind." In PUA land, though, people believe in some kind of alternative reality.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-74868867573541808602013-07-30T07:13:32.308-07:002013-07-30T07:13:32.308-07:00Being in the "community" for several yea...Being in the "community" for several years and taking a couple of years off from work to study and apply what I learned in addition to being a broad shoulder, muscular, 220 pounder with 17 inch arms I can say that confidence itself is only one aspect of the total package. Alone or combined with only a few other aspects will not help a "fat, short, unpopular, and lanky dude" as Sleazy says.<br /><br />I know men who live in penthouse suites in NY City, earn 6 figure incomes, and have been in game for well over 5 years but lack the physical parameters Sleazy refers to and have NO women in their life.<br /><br />On the other hand I've seen short, good looking guys score well with hot women. Combine good looks and height and you're more than half way there.<br /><br />There's a reason why evolution weeds out the "unfit". Good looking people mate with other good looking people which both have superior genes.<br /><br />Yes it sucks for the rest of us but life is nothing more than a game of chance and rolling dice. Sure you can "try" to influence it but the hand your dealt is the one your dealing with.<br /><br />Arron - I find it amazing that you read all the books and material you review. You must have the collective knowledge of every dating coach and pick up artist in the world, lol.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-74515934554478042882012-12-27T00:10:33.517-08:002012-12-27T00:10:33.517-08:00So, Anonymous, you think a fat, short, unpopular, ...So, Anonymous, you think a fat, short, unpopular, and lanky dude will get the hottest girls just because he is "confident". Give me a break.<br /><br />"The average looking man with more of these qualities will trump the good looking guy or the rich guy or the tall guy because ultimately women are attracted to a man's consciousness."<br /><br />You live in a fantasy world. <br /><br />By the way, why do you assume Brad Pitt is stupid? You don't even know him.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-79929600257977995692012-12-26T18:25:45.634-08:002012-12-26T18:25:45.634-08:00I've read both books and though I prefer Model...I've read both books and though I prefer Models, both are insightful and grounded in reality. I'm surprised Aaron believes being tall, muscular and good looking are the most important factors in female attraction. I agree they're important but the number one factor, bar none, is confidence. The "it" factor in game is: drive + an easygoing attitude towards sex + detachment from outcome. The average looking man with more of these qualities will trump the good looking guy or the rich guy or the tall guy because ultimately women are attracted to a man's consciousness. Take an invalid who looks like Brad Pitt and a fat guy with a normal brain, and the girl will pick the fat guy. A fuckin' GUY would pick the fat girl (though I have my doubts). Man does not reign supreme on Earth because of his height or brawn but because of his brain. Now if you have two confident men, yes, the average woman will choose the taller, better looking one but even then, not always. <br /><br />What I also loved about Models was Marc's explanation about the dark root causes of why guys get into pick up in the first place. I disagree that this chapter is gratuitous. There is no game without inner game and many men, myself included, need to take a long hard look at why they want to fuck so many women in the first place. I'm sorry but it's a little more complicated than "because women are beautiful and I have a dick". Not only is it one of the most important chapters in the book, it's something no one else has talked about and it sets the stage for the rest of the book. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-51990040264147219352012-02-14T03:50:40.081-08:002012-02-14T03:50:40.081-08:00That's too bad. Was this book a collection of ...That's too bad. Was this book a collection of his blog posts or an original piece of work.<br /><br />Also, even though you can't leave a two star review for Delusion Damage, please consider writing reviews for Minimal Game and Sleazy Stories. I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-85759926367737226002012-02-11T04:34:07.333-08:002012-02-11T04:34:07.333-08:00Felt I wanted to add something about Delusion Dama...Felt I wanted to add something about Delusion Damage. I read it and realized it's actually not very fascinating. It's a book that tries to be about everything but is really about nothing. The first few chapters are okay but then it gets to the "game" stuff which most of the rest of the book is about. And not the good kind of game Aaron. The bullshit kind. I got so tired of most of the ramblings that I ended up skimming through the last 40 pages. <br /><br />Waste of time. And since it's on my Kindle, I can't even wipe my ass with it. <br /><br />Oddly enough, it seems to not be even available to buy anymore. What a coincidence. I guess I won't be submitting my 2 star review to amazon now.Skepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-43428006300656231782012-02-09T07:55:51.213-08:002012-02-09T07:55:51.213-08:00Thanks for the feedback!
I have become critical o...Thanks for the feedback!<br /><br />I have become critical of Paleo as well, and will soon cover this topic in an article.<br /><br />I'll keep Delusion Damage on my list, but first I have to make some progress with all the other books.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-89874866177891321552012-02-09T01:50:58.413-08:002012-02-09T01:50:58.413-08:00Yeah well, I just got a Kindle and wanted to get s...Yeah well, I just got a Kindle and wanted to get some books on it. I'm an avid reader anyway so I devour books like people suck air. <br /><br />Your books were interesting. I think they are important. Especially "minimal game" since it pretty much says that there isn't really anything called Game. Of course most people will likely read it and be disappointed that there was no "structure" or techniques per se. That's missing the whole point. Good work. <br /><br />Freedom Twenty Five was also good and it's nice to see there are like minded people out there. I just wouldn't go that crazy about his dietary advice. The Paleo diet is good if you can do it. But the whole concept that there was some dietary golden age is nonsense. Here's a good blog to really shed some good light on these matters for those interested: http://paleovegan.blogspot.com/<br /><br />I like to think of myself as a meat eating vegan =D<br /><br />End of Social Anxiety is a short book that delivers a message that I think can only be understood fully once someone has experienced the kind of transformation that the author has. I've been on this for many years now. It's taken me a lot of convincing and personal experience to really "get" what meditation is and why we should do it. This is a book I will read again and again in the future. <br /><br />Just started reading Delusion Damage this morning and I must say, it is fascinating.Skepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-61219736700083589392012-01-30T14:00:21.619-08:002012-01-30T14:00:21.619-08:00You went on quite a shopping spree! Please also le...You went on quite a shopping spree! Please also let me know how you like Delusion Damage. That guy has a few rather interesting posts on his blogs.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-71341237510186648112012-01-26T03:46:28.140-08:002012-01-26T03:46:28.140-08:00+ it's always cool to read the amazon reviews ...+ it's always cool to read the amazon reviews which draw from a more general crowd than the one sided testimonies you would find on e.g. the RSD testimonials page. Although I wouldn't even read that shit if it was free... <br /><br />People are really fucking stupid sometimes and especially so when they are overtly desperate to get laid or thinking only about outcome. It's like robbing an old lady. <br /><br />The one-click Kindle book shopping on Amazon is dangerously easy, haha. Nobody should be charging or paying over 15 dollars for a book. <br /><br />I got: <br />* Sleazy Stories<br />* Minimal Game<br />* Freedom Twenty Five<br />* Non-Violent Communication<br />* Delusion Damage<br />* The Surprising Purpose Of Anger<br />* The End of Social Anxiety<br /><br />I would've gladly got Mark's book (as it was often suggested with the above) but a man's gotta stick to his principles. <br /><br />Aaron, I'll let you know what I think when I've finished both of your books.The Skepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-57498726606519577702012-01-24T15:21:10.451-08:002012-01-24T15:21:10.451-08:00Hey man,
thanks for buying my books! Please let m...Hey man,<br /><br />thanks for buying my books! Please let me know how you like them.<br /><br />I agree that Mark's book is on the expensive side. It's too bad that greed overcomes so many people in this scene. But the days were people were charging $80 for a badly produced ebook are thankfully a thing of the past. Nowadays it's just $69. ;)<br /><br />Yes, it's good when a book is available on Amazon.com, because then you'll at least be protected by fraudulent charges to your credit card, forced continuity, or ridiculous shipping costs. For instance, RSD had released some paperbacks a year or two ago, and they sold them for something like $40 plus $60 dollars shipping, and that was the standard domestic rate! Some people have no honor or dignity.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-81746663215427025152012-01-19T04:07:42.634-08:002012-01-19T04:07:42.634-08:00Too bad the book is not reasonably priced. I am ju...Too bad the book is not reasonably priced. I am just shopping on Amazon and found this when looking at your books Aaron both of which I will definitely now buy. I would've gladly bought this one also but I am not paying over 20 dollars for a book especially coming from a topic that has become quite fradulent as we have seen recently. Nor do I think anyone else should either. <br /><br />Another good rule, if it's not on Amazon, don't buy it. At least that gives it a LITTLE credibility. Although even that is a bit questionable these days...The Skepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-69648124025868168912011-12-21T01:34:21.406-08:002011-12-21T01:34:21.406-08:00Anonymous (I),
I'll respond to your statement ...Anonymous (I),<br />I'll respond to your statement in a separate blog post. If you are a man, then your reasoning abilities are severely underdeveloped, by the way.<br /><br />Dizzy,<br />that women are more observant than men may be true in the social sphere, but that's simply because men usually have more important things to do with their life than to sit around and gossip all afternoon long, day after day. On the other hand, women don't really rely on logic but instead on some combination of wishful thinking, superstition and preconceived notions to arrive at their conclusions. Thus, their "perception" is hardly as developed as you may think. You only think it is because you can't be as illogical in your judgment as the average woman.<br /><br />Anonymous (II),<br />I am not overly familiar with Roissy/Heatiste, but isn't he a strong advocate of indirect game?Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-86454832496668268642011-12-20T22:03:25.653-08:002011-12-20T22:03:25.653-08:00I too would be interested in a review of roosh'...I too would be interested in a review of roosh's material.<br />Also your thought's on Roissy/Heartiste and his game would likely be interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-54925858885061764662011-12-19T15:51:34.397-08:002011-12-19T15:51:34.397-08:00@Anonymous: so, basically each sex develops toward...@Anonymous: so, basically each sex develops towards the expectations of the other sex. And this disproves Aaron's point how?jczhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18387860560290378129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-22041623781858727092011-12-18T17:26:48.780-08:002011-12-18T17:26:48.780-08:00@ johnny
It's not about just "going out&...@ johnny<br /><br />It's not about just "going out" or who's been out more, it's about the female perspective. Women are simply more observant than men, and being how since childhood they've been groomed to understand that they have something which all men want, and will do and say anything to try and get, and that giving it up under the wrong conditions or to the wrong man or to even be seen as associating with the wrong man can be detrimental to her reputation and her livelihood as a woman, and that the basis of her worth as a woman is the level of effectiveness of the men/man she attracts / locks down, they're perceptive as fuck.<br /><br />In essence, they *do* have a natural super-power of perceptiveness. That doesn't mean you can't develop the same thing as well though, completely separating you from the average guy. This is when you can seduce a woman swiftly and without language, while seemingly talking about completely irrelevant and mundane shit the whole time.Dizzynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-68331237116717041232011-12-18T17:25:26.807-08:002011-12-18T17:25:26.807-08:00"Frankly, I am quite sick of reading about th..."Frankly, I am quite sick of reading about the alleged simple-mindedness of us men, even more so if male authors hint at it. Feminists love to state how plain our emotional lives are, but, frankly, the average man is a much more complex creature than the average woman..."<br /><br />You are wrong, because the women prefer a lot of characteristics regarding a man, make that man to be more complex, to develop himself, etc...That's why men invented all the thing on this planet, compose most of songs, writes the most valuable poems, novels et... On the other hand, because men prefer only physical appeareance, a woman will develop only in that way... so it's a problem of atractiveness of the opposite sex, not the complexity of a creature. In fact, that thing highlights that a man is a more complex creature than a woman. So, with the help from women, men become better then them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com