tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post7813572488030814770..comments2023-05-17T08:14:10.789-07:00Comments on Men, Women, and Society: There is No Point in PretendingAaron Sleazyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-57022952096737720032013-01-25T02:26:44.363-08:002013-01-25T02:26:44.363-08:00This is extremely interesting, Alek and Aaron, and...This is extremely interesting, Alek and Aaron, and it rejoins a thought I had a while back, when a local PUA of my country was talking about the night where he approached two hot girls, and one of them warmed up while the other one remained cold. I remember thinking that if he got two different reactions from girls while saying the exact same thing and being the exact same dude, it obviously meant that their reactions had nothing to do with him or what he said, but came from whether they instantly liked him or not.<br /><br />Isn’t it ironic that PUAs teach you to Game girls that you don’t know? Think about it: in a non-social circle environment, there are only two reasons for a girl to see you again after an initial encounter:<br />-She is interested in you.<br />-She is super social (in that case, there is a good chance you will actually never see her again even though you had a good interaction with her: she was just being her super social self).<br /><br />Now here is where it gets funny: PUAs say that girls always assume that a stranger who comes to talk to them is hitting on them, which is only logical. That means that, whatever you tell her (and NO, going “indirect” does not fool anyone), she is deciding whether or not she is interested. And that’s the kicker: for her to react positively to your approach, for her to start talking eagerly to you, she needs to be very social or to be interested, and this interest, as correctly pointed out by Alek, will stem from non-short-term fakable things, basically your style and looks. In order to spit your nonsensical game, you need her to want to listen to you in the first place, either because that’s her way of being or because she already likes you. <br /><br />The funny thing is that PUAs do sense that some girls are initially more responsive than others, but, because of their deluded view of the world, they think that if the girls is non-responsive, it’s because they weren’t “alpha/unstiffled/detached/in the Now/etc” and therefore they need to stay with her and try to “plow” and persist as much as possible until she warms up. They also account for initially warm girls by the fact that they sensed their alphaness or whatever before they opened their mouth.<br /><br />It is just crazy the extent to which these guys can go to avoid seeing the obvious. When you do Game on a girl, she has to be willing to listen for you to demonstrate your attractive qualities. And if she is willing to listen, she is interested already, by definition<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-35031285122969867692013-01-16T15:45:49.133-08:002013-01-16T15:45:49.133-08:00Repeat after me...
NO MORE BOOKS
NO MORE BOOKS
NO...Repeat after me...<br /><br />NO MORE BOOKS<br />NO MORE BOOKS<br />NO MORE BOOKS<br /><br />You don't need another book. Go apply.Alek Novyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00727239708216696902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-4613912480807317622013-01-09T01:22:31.292-08:002013-01-09T01:22:31.292-08:00If alex novy wrote a book i'd buy it in a hear...If alex novy wrote a book i'd buy it in a heartbeat. Every single one of his posts has opened my eyes to the scam that is the community. Thank you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-64982639530585547072013-01-03T22:12:02.800-08:002013-01-03T22:12:02.800-08:00Yes, please. A lot of the manosphere's advice ...Yes, please. A lot of the manosphere's advice is predicated on the premise that Game works and works often (i.e., "women will ditch you for someone with better Game," or "don't marry unless you are willing to keep up the masquerade that Game requires for life, or she'll leave you," etc.). <br /><br />The "cock carousel" is also predicated on the assumption that women only want alphas and will gleefully share one no matter how uncertain the chances of commitment or the like. It'd be nice to see how well this stands up to reality. Fifth Seasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-8134126922916242522013-01-03T00:20:00.130-08:002013-01-03T00:20:00.130-08:00http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/science-...http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/science-proves-game-works/<br /><br />Apparently science now proves game worksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-49658636342131582002012-12-28T16:36:07.214-08:002012-12-28T16:36:07.214-08:00Good post Aaron, a girl will make up her mind if y...Good post Aaron, a girl will make up her mind if you have potential within 2 seconds based on your looks, style and presence. Physical attraction is the ticket to play the game, a 75 year old man will have a 0% success rate at every night club all the time. For guys that want to do well with women, actual game should only be maybe a tenth of what they focus on lifestyle, fashion, gym, money, status, diet are all just as important.<br /><br />Routines will not work on a girl who is not into you physically and more importantly the problem with fake routines is that you are creating a completely false identity, only a hardcore narcissist won't feel guilt from acting this way as a true narcissist only feels shame, not guilt. Every man should have enough dignity and confidence in themselves to be able to speak authentically.RLDhttp://revolutionarylifestyledesign.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-77137133752747244972012-12-27T00:26:21.638-08:002012-12-27T00:26:21.638-08:00The issue with male anger is that it subsides quic...The issue with male anger is that it subsides quickly. If you get caught in the act, then any guy could turn into a raging beast. This means that you should never get into such a vulnerable position to begin with. However, it's not so easy to keep staying angry for a week or so. I guess that dude simply approached me because he had said to a friend that he would confront me, or something like that.<br /><br />I do intend to write a post on the "cock carousel" myth soon. Stay tuned!Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-56890901569709574552012-12-24T11:01:14.031-08:002012-12-24T11:01:14.031-08:00Alek brought up a very important point in the othe...Alek brought up a very important point in the other thread: if your lifestyle is lacking to the point where you're entirely celibate, you have bigger problems to worry about than getting laid. You're not taking care of yourself and your own (financial, social, physical) well-being on a basic level. The lack of pussy is just a symptom of much, much larger issues.<br /><br />I think the real tragedy of the "community" is that it makes dudes with serious issues KEEP those problems unresolved. I agree with the point of this post, and with Alek's comments here, but it's a goddamn atrocity that "this will get you laid" is the only message that men in this niche will listen to.<br /><br />How about "this will make you fundamentally less miserable with your life and yourself?"<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-24893954290785103902012-12-23T17:49:37.562-08:002012-12-23T17:49:37.562-08:00I'm mainly here for the debunking part, and fo...I'm mainly here for the debunking part, and for finding out if terms bandied around the manosphere like the "cock carousel" have any basis in reality. <br /><br />As for boyfriend confrontation, it's nice that the situation you mentioned didn't escalate. But if that person is in a high-aggression occupation and used to simply taking what they want, they might very well take their chances or bring people to break your bones. Sexual betrayal, even if it's merely perceived, is in a class all its own for the ability to make people irrationally, even violently, angry. Fifth Seasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-41859512512124974262012-12-21T16:31:43.954-08:002012-12-21T16:31:43.954-08:00Here's a post I wrote almost a year ago explai...Here's a post I wrote almost a year ago explaining this stuff in more clarity:<br /><br />http://aleknovy.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/is-dan-the-male-version-of-ab-or-does-he-just-lack-reading-comprehension/Alek Novyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00727239708216696902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-48450319434300146202012-12-21T04:39:25.840-08:002012-12-21T04:39:25.840-08:00I write quite a bit about the importance of standi...I write quite a bit about the importance of standing out, and how to do it, in Minimal Game, so you might want to check it out. :)<br />In short: if you look non-descript, you'll basically be equally unattractive to all women. This means that you have to risk tailoring your style to attract a certain subset of women, even though this will mean that some other women will be turned off by you. Look into any subculture for examples.<br /><br />Old boyfriends can be an issue. It's good advice to stay away from those women. In big cities, and if you are able to keep a low profile, it shouldn't be a problem. Once I was actually tracked down by some dude because I banged his ex. After he was sent in my direction, he wasn't quite so confident anymore, and after he said, "Are you X? Did you bang Y?" I just said, "Yeah." But because I was a good feet taller than him, that was the end of the conversation. Still, those situations can be difficult. When you meet a girl in a club who says that you should be careful because her boyfriend is around (and thus encourages you to make a move), you're better off just moving on.<br /><br />Condoms protect against most STDs, and if you are careful, STDs are in general not a big issue. On the other hand, if you can't wait to thrust your cock into any hole that comes your way, you're literally asking for trouble.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-43620479633829957262012-12-20T18:15:31.162-08:002012-12-20T18:15:31.162-08:00Yeah, just because you're able to recite Catul...Yeah, just because you're able to recite Catullus' or Sappho's entire poetry repertoire doesn't mean you have a clue about what you should be doing. Still, getting noticed is the first step to building a connection, and the stereotype is that women "only look up, not down," which is where you get the nonsense about "DHV" in the PUA community. The fact of the matter is the vast majority of men don't know how to make themselves stand out (or in cruder language, "induce the tingles") to a woman they're interested in, hence the routines and stuff like "peacocking." Perhaps you could fill the rest of us in on how important "standing out" really is. <br /><br />As for the (ir)relevance of a boyfriend, I'd personally be concerned if a "target" has anyone else in the role of "significant other" right then. I've read too much about old boyfriends who can't let go (sometimes with fatal consequences), or for whom the "target" can't let go of. The PUA community calls these women "Alpha Widows," but I would much rather call them "Ginger Rothsteins" (from Sharon Stone's character in the 1995 Martin Scorcese film "Casino" who was married to the protagonist for a time but never could let go of her ne'er-do-well boyfriend Lester Diamond who always came by to mooch money and affection from her). Ginger for her part had a host of other issues, but that's tangential; the point is I'd rather not have to deal with hostile outsiders or those who for whatever reason have a hold on the "target's" heart if I can help it. <br /><br />As for "quickly," I always thought it was a good idea to wait until STI tests came back for new partners in a new relationship. Nobody needs a case of genital herpes or HIV. Or is that something only "betas" worry about? Fifth Seasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-56547168468673418122012-12-20T00:27:58.151-08:002012-12-20T00:27:58.151-08:00Does "game" really get you noticed, espe...Does "game" really get you noticed, especially when compared to taking steps that actually improve your life?<br /><br />Speaking of the "trickery" of women: you notice plastic surgery, and you certainly realize when she's just putting on an act. I know what you mean by "fake educations." I've attended some very good universities, and I had the misfortune that some women wanted me to charm by pretending they were smarter or more educated than they were. But just because some women gets sent to a good university doesn't mean that she's making use of those opportunities. Thus, I often heard badly regurgitated freshmen liberal arts bullcrap. I've studied Latin in school, and even some Greek, and whenever a girl started to annoy me, I'd just wait for the next wrongly used "big word" coming out of their mouth, and ask them whether they actually knew about the etymology.<br /><br />Girls who pretend to be smart don't impress me at all. Besides, "book smarts" don't necessarily have much to do with how smart someone really is. A lot of verifiable idiots go on to get Master's degrees and PhD. In many fields, success in higher education depends on how good you are at kissing someone's ass, and this goes up all the way to professors.<br /><br />You don't have to ask, "Do you have a boyfriend?" Instead, just ask her out on a date. If she's interested, despite her circumstances, she'll say yes. Girls often claim to have a boyfriend when they don't want to go on a date with some dude. On the other hand, some do have a boyfriend, because they don't want to be alone, and if someone better comes along, they conveniently forget about him and quickly fuck you.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-48010655979917728822012-12-20T00:13:48.821-08:002012-12-20T00:13:48.821-08:00You're very welcome!You're very welcome!Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-78307992707972341782012-12-19T14:09:25.732-08:002012-12-19T14:09:25.732-08:00What about those manosphere bloggers who claim tha...What about those manosphere bloggers who claim that "betas are invisible to women," so learning game is the only way to get noticed? It's easy for the "average frustrated chumps" to believe that since most of dating is rejection, rejection, rejection. <br /><br />And what about those who claim that women bring fakery (in their case plastic surgery, fake charms, empty minds and fake educations) all the time to dating so "alpha fakery" in turn is all they deserve with their pump-n-dumps? Do you have any BS antidotes for these? <br /><br />It'd be nice if we could all drop the pretences and be explicit and truthful with one another in person about what we're interested in (whether hooking up, actual relationships, etc.). But because of how awkward it is to ask straight out questions like "Do you have a boyfriend? If not, can I date you?" or "Are you as DTF as I am right no?", we get things like hurt feelings when one partner thinks it's a one night stand and the other thinks it's a relationship starter, and plenty of hatred all around. Fifth Seasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-42601882895998497512012-12-19T10:27:08.551-08:002012-12-19T10:27:08.551-08:00Thanks to you and Alek for bringing much needed in...Thanks to you and Alek for bringing much needed intelligent reflexions in an ocean of bullshit!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-63726250085616151232012-12-19T09:54:15.204-08:002012-12-19T09:54:15.204-08:00====
PUALIVE Said: If the goal is a relationship, ...====<br /><b>PUALIVE Said:</b> <i>If the goal is a relationship, you are entirely on point. If the goal is a lay, slightly less.</i><br />====<br /><br />Actually, it's the OPPOSITE. If you want to ONLY get laid, then faking works EVEN LESS in that context. <br /><br />The evidence is that faking works in NEITHER the short-term, nor the long-term, but for opposite reasons.<br /><br />The research shows that for getting laid (short-term mating) faking can accomplish nothing since in the SHORT-TERM women ONLY look to traits that UN-FAKEABLE (you can't fake height, genetic profile, facial shape etc etc).<br /><br />In the LONG-TERM faking accomplishes nothing, since female attraction only factors in a factor after she's had enough time to assess if it's genuine.<br /><br /><br /><br />Women have SPECIFICALLY evolved agaist fakers by:<br /><br />A) Their short-term mating being based ONLY on impossible-to-fake traits (height, genetic profile, facial shape, body ratios, smell etc)<br /><br />B) Their long-term meting being based on traits which can be assessed over a longer period.<br /><br />Get it? Yes, a woman will be more attracted to you in the long-term if you show ambition, BUT ONLY if she's had time to assess you and check if it's real. GET IT? Faking ambition through ambition routines to a random chick at a bar accomplishes NOTHING because a chick looking for a dick TONIGHT doesn't care if its owner is ambitious or not.<br /><br />Alek Novyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00727239708216696902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-83479442571808568532012-12-19T09:46:39.626-08:002012-12-19T09:46:39.626-08:00http://www.rooshv.com/the-decline-of-american-wome...http://www.rooshv.com/the-decline-of-american-women<br /><br />This post and the comments following it are so delusional.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-15630705968777171432012-12-19T03:09:59.459-08:002012-12-19T03:09:59.459-08:00That's a great find! Thanks for posting this.That's a great find! Thanks for posting this.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-31745917124941868852012-12-19T02:49:05.078-08:002012-12-19T02:49:05.078-08:00How PUA manages to keep a normal guy from scoring ...How PUA manages to keep a normal guy from scoring for 4 years:<br /><br />http://www.theattractionforums.com/newbie-discussion-forum/142043-4-years-pua-still-virgin.html<br /><br />The whole thread, especially answers by miaddict, reeks of stupidity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-52592758434724392052012-12-18T13:32:07.741-08:002012-12-18T13:32:07.741-08:00a-for sexual attraction the only thing that matter...<i>a-for sexual attraction the only thing that matters is looks</i><br /><br />Nope. <br /><br />Everything is a factor. It's just that non-physical factors play a much smaller role in short-term attraction. Over time other factors grow in importance. ("Let's say in the short-term your status play 0.1% role, but if she's looking for a boyfriend, it plays 30% role*) -> Just throwing numbers out for the sake of illustration, nobody has succesfully quantified them this way, thought there seem to be some attempts.<br /><br />In other words unless you have extremely* high status your status makes no real-world difference whether a chick wants to fuck you 30 minutes after you've first introduced yourself. (*- think national celebrity or she knew you were a millionaire before you even walked up to her).<br /><br />Because anyone can rent out a limo for an night or spend their savings on flashing cash they don't actually have. Clubs are full of posers for example and women are well aware of this.<br /><br /><i>a1-you need to be her type(genetic match), then your body fat levels, muscle, height, simetry plays a major role</i><br /><br />Nope.<br /><br />You don't "have to be her type" in order to get fucked. Chicks fuck guys who aren't their type when they're desperate and/or super horny. <br /><br />We're just saying it's the largest factor in short-term attraction. It's not a pre-requisite.<br /><br /><i>b-she nkows how attractive you are very quick<br /><br /><br />c-in short-term attraction cant be created or killed<br /><br />c1-you can kill the interest by fucking it up. she still is attracted to you but she decided to not act on the attraction</i><br /><br />Yes<br /><br />Btw, most conflations and stupidity in Puatard theories come from confusing interest and attraction. Those are two separate things where if a thinker confuses them, he comes up with shitty theories that don't match reality (i.e. pua theories).<br /><br /><i>c2-attraction can be increased in long-term by things that cannot be faked (money,status,fame)</i><br /><br />Nope, let me correct that. EITHER this<br /><br />c2-attraction can be increased in the long-term by things that cannot be faked OVER THE LONG-TERM(money,status,popularity) [i.e. anyone can fake being rich or popular for a night, but you can't fake being rich or popular for a month]<br /><br />OR this<br /><br />c2-attraction cannot be increased in the short-term by things that CAN be faked in the short-term (money,status,popularity)Alek Novyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00727239708216696902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-62303859476992206042012-12-18T10:41:38.064-08:002012-12-18T10:41:38.064-08:00"In other words, GETTING the real deal takes ..."In other words, GETTING the real deal takes the same effort that the "faking skill" takes, it lasts longer, doesn't reset every morning, and there's no risk of being caught (works 10 times more)."<br /><br />I think most PUAs are creeps that can't have those social circles because they are shit people, so they must create grupies on the spot.<br /><br />They also need routines (stories from other people lives) and likable characteristics (also borrowed) to be accepted. <br /><br />Maybe many of them are just shit people and this is the only way they can get sex?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-18431716510953666962012-12-18T10:03:23.109-08:002012-12-18T10:03:23.109-08:00alek correct me if i wrong. what you are saying is...alek correct me if i wrong. what you are saying is<br /><br />a-for sexual attraction the only thing that matters is looks<br /><br />a1-you need to be her type(genetic match), then your body fat levels, muscle, height, simetry plays a major role<br /><br /><br />b-she nkows how attractive you are very quick<br /><br /><br />c-in short-term attraction cant be created or killed<br /><br />c1-you can kill the interest by fucking it up. she still is attracted to you but she decided to not act on the attraction<br /><br />c2-attraction can be increased in long-term by things that cannot be faked (money,status,fame)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-18957068589107350452012-12-18T09:02:29.647-08:002012-12-18T09:02:29.647-08:00If you're her type, then your body shape and h...If you're her type, then your body shape and height play a significant role.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-28210518174469104132012-12-17T21:43:03.791-08:002012-12-17T21:43:03.791-08:00Alek Novy quote:
"In other words, if a woman...Alek Novy quote:<br /><br />"In other words, if a woman sleeps with you in 2 hours of meeting you, it's entirely based on your height, body-shape, body smell (etc)."<br /><br /><br />I think you forgot to add that you may just be her type or at least someone she's curious about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com