tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post8413128424049756713..comments2023-05-17T08:14:10.789-07:00Comments on Men, Women, and Society: Guest Post: What "game" is and isn't (by Alek Novy) Aaron Sleazyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-19989811158099334482013-10-06T22:38:59.400-07:002013-10-06T22:38:59.400-07:00There are not too many girls smaller than me (none...There are not too many girls smaller than me (none in my social circle), So is there a way to get taller women?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-45177683922400405722013-10-06T15:49:04.605-07:002013-10-06T15:49:04.605-07:00Your height will severely hold you back. Get some ...Your height will severely hold you back. Get some inlays for your shoes, work out, dress sharp, make money --- and focus on girls that are shorter than you.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-71687694301093148032013-10-02T14:23:43.832-07:002013-10-02T14:23:43.832-07:00What do you do if you are shorter than most girls?...What do you do if you are shorter than most girls? I am 24 years old with no experience with women and I think its because of my height of 5 feet. What do I do? Am I out of luck?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-90648428180341457892013-01-05T12:19:09.319-08:002013-01-05T12:19:09.319-08:00I'm 6ft 4, after my second first year in colle...I'm 6ft 4, after my second first year in college I weighed 240 pounds, girls never talked to me, just hung out with my buddies that's it.<br /><br />over that summer break I lost 50 pounds in 5 months by going to the gym 6/7 days a week. when I when back to school for 2nd year in college I was not only being approached by girls I was getting hit on by girls to the point I was uncomfortable. Too many times to count I've had girls just stare at my all day and one of their giggling friends comes up to me and says their friends like me.<br /><br /><br />All this PUA talk is BS, looks matter, A LOT. It's reality and I feel sorry for this people going to PUAs paying thousands and getting robbedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-78100807953558811662013-01-04T16:58:47.099-08:002013-01-04T16:58:47.099-08:00"Attraction is not a simple yes/no thing.&quo...<i>"Attraction is not a simple yes/no thing."</i><br /><br /><b>THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THERE EXISTING THREE DIFFERENT TERMS which are SEPERATE TERMS yet PUAs/Gamers "conflate" into one term they call "attraction". In truth there is 1) "short-term attraction", 2) "long-term attraction" and 3) "interest" and those are three *separate* things</b><br /><br />IT IS TRUE THAT Interest is NOT a yes/no switch. This statement is correct if you use the word "interest". It changes, grows, reduces, flows and ebbs.<br /><br />Long term attraction is the same, flowing, changing, growing, reducing etc...<br /><br />SHORT-TERM ATTRACTION however is NOT a variable, it's a static. DO YOU GET IT? When we are bashing PUAs here we are bashing their concept of being able to WALK INTO A ROOM and have the chick have a different level of short-term attraction to you at 11pm than she did at 9pm.<br /><br />DO YOU GET IT? <br /><br />=> YES, WE DO BELIEVE YOU CAN CHANGE A WOMAN'S INTEREST between 9pm and 11pm (interest in acting on her pre-existing attraction). That is possible.<br /><br />=> You can't however change her SHORT-term-attraction to you between 9PM and 11PM in any significant way no matter what you say or do or how you act.<br /><br />DO YOU GET THE DISTINCTION?<br /><br /><br /><i>"The real reason most people aren't attracted to each other isn't biological, it's because of social aspects."</i><br /><br />I would agree, except you used the wrong word. You're making the SAME MISTAKE PUAs are. You're using the word "attraction" when you mean "interest" For example you said.<br /><br /><i>"while in fact attraction was already there but burried under a pile of social and media bullshit."</i><br /><br />In other words you admit the attraction is there all the time - it was always there. It's just that people are unaware of it. I'd rephrase what you said as...<br /><br /><i>The real reason most people aren't interested in each other isn't biological, it's because of social aspects.</i> -> There Now I agree with you 100% :)<br /><br /><i>If the "PUA" is now able to circumvent this and can make the women feel just the biological attraction instead of her unrealistic expectation based on media influence, it may be possible to get her.</i><br /><br />Dude, the PUA crap is not "circumventing" anything on the woman the only thing you're circumventing is your own insecurities.<br /><br />If pre-pua you thought you had to look like a fashion model in order to hit on a hot chick, you wouldn't have done it and missed even the signals that were present.<br /><br />Then you adopt a pua theory that says "do technique megablaster 2000 and hot chicks will become wetter for you" all it does is it gives you the CONFIDENCE to go hit on more hot women. It's motherfucking called placebo.<br /><br />So you escalate (+ do a bunch of pua tricks [placebo]) get one out of 20 chicks you try it on, and go OMG IT WORKED IT WORKED IT WORKED, thinking that the lame trick got you the chick. No, all it did was get you to leave the house and ESCALATE on a chick you wouldn't have escalated on before.<br /><br />GET IT? It's called placebo motherfucking sweet jesus of moron holy fucking retard. There is no "circumventing" nothing in the woman. The only thing is you're circumventing your own insecurities and issues you might have had about hitting up on chicks. That's it.Alek Novyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00727239708216696902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-65830532036271097042013-01-04T12:21:15.043-08:002013-01-04T12:21:15.043-08:00Alek,
your other comment is now also on the blog....Alek,<br /><br />your other comment is now also on the blog. Sorry for the undue delay.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-5650435858347588032013-01-04T10:58:56.314-08:002013-01-04T10:58:56.314-08:00So, you're saying that the media promote the i...So, you're saying that the media promote the idea that attraction is based on looks, but that women aren't really attracted to the men they go gaga for. Instead, PUAs are somehow able to "circumvent" the wrong images promoted by mass media and appeal to their "real" biological urges. Right...Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-9430576950192560502013-01-04T05:03:53.841-08:002013-01-04T05:03:53.841-08:00Hey Alek,
sorry for the delay. I have been very b...Hey Alek,<br /><br />sorry for the delay. I have been very busy recently and I'm sitting on a huge backlog. Your comment is still in the queue. I'll get to it once I've got a spare hour or two.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-73591143672004320742013-01-04T04:50:37.542-08:002013-01-04T04:50:37.542-08:00Hey Aaron, I posted a large reply on here a week a...Hey Aaron, I posted a large reply on here a week ago, and it never published. Can you check it out? I posted a large one today, see if that one doesn't go missing either.<br /><br />It tends to often happen when I have large replies using a lot of formatting code.Alek Novyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00727239708216696902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-72306368035743869282013-01-04T04:48:24.085-08:002013-01-04T04:48:24.085-08:00"So the chick in your scenario just sits ther...<i>"So the chick in your scenario just sits there doing nothing and then, like magic, she decides it's cool to go home with you?</i><br /><br />Anonymous, by your reaction I'm getting the sense you didn't actually read what I wrote, but somehow misread it. I'm guessing you read something like<br /><br /><i>"You appear at a club, just make some moves on a chick, and then you can just say let's go, and she will go home with you".</i><br /><br />THAT'S NOT WHAT I WROTE! But it seems that's what you read. Here's a clarification.<br /><br />-> Some chicks are horny and want to fuck and are pretty sexually liberated and might want to fuck you (note the <b>"some"</b>)<br /><br />-> YOU CAN find these chicks without ever having to experience rejection. The process above is about finding those chicks.<br /><br />-> If a chick is letting you put your hand on her thigh in the club, lets you do heavy petting while you makeout in the corner and even lets you cop a feel here and there, she will most likely say yes if you invite her home. MAKE SENSE? <br /><br />Did you miss this sentence <i>"increasingly more sexual moves on a woman <b>until</b> she has <b>either</b> become uncomfortable"</i>?<br /><br />With most chicks, you're just going to have a pleasant friendly conversation. Make sense? With most chicks when you try to lean in, get a little closer, you'll note her becoming more uncomfortable and you'll just stop there. It will never progress past a friendly conversation. Make sense?<br /><br />Or perhaps some chicks will let you come closer, stroke their hair, even kiss them, but if you try to get a bit more sexual (get hand lower down waist, toward buttock), they get uncomfortable so you back off and don't invite them home. MAKE SENSE?<br /><br />Hence <i>"every move one can make in public/with clothes on"</i><br /><br />Yes, some of the chicks who refuse to let you become more sexual in a club might have said yes to going home with you... But they might also have not, you risk rejection if you ask them. Whereas if a chick lets you do almost anything possible in clothes, she will surely say yes to being taken home. MAKE SENSE?<br /><br />Although your comment was very unclear, so I'm just GUESSING what you're protesting. I'm assuming you're protesting the idea that you can just ask any random chick to come home and she'll say yes, so I'm clarifying that part (we're not asking any random chick, it's a process of testing and eliminating through a friendly conversation interspersing increasingly more bold physical moves). From a far the process should look like you simply SOCIALIZING WITH and being FRIENDLY to a ton of chicks. There are no nuclear rejections, because you move slow, and back off to a lower (less sexual level) anytime you sense discomfort.<br /><br />With most chicks it might not get past her letting you rest your hand on her shoulder before she gets uncomfortable. Make sense? With most chicks you just end up having a social conversation. Make sense?<br /><br />But if your snarky comment was about something ELSE <br /><br /><i>"like magic, she decides it's cool to go home with you? You're just as full of shit as the PUAtards you criticize."</i><br /><br />Please clarify. Because <i>"like magic"</i> and <i>"just sits there doing nothing"</i> are completely confusing snarky remarks that don't actually tell me what specifically you're protesting (so I have to guess). There's no claim of chicks doing nothing or magic. So if my clarification failed, let me know if you were protesting something else. Thanks!Alek Novyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00727239708216696902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-75901404711066759742013-01-03T12:58:55.795-08:002013-01-03T12:58:55.795-08:00You shouldn't assume that the girl just sits t...You shouldn't assume that the girl just sits there doing nothing at all. She'll probably show some kind of reaction, either positive or negative, once you make your intentions clear. Many guys have the problem that they want to hide their intentions and think they can somehow trick the girl into sleeping with them.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-88864171583258977942013-01-03T10:45:25.042-08:002013-01-03T10:45:25.042-08:00"-1> Keep making increasingly more sexual ..."-1> Keep making increasingly more sexual moves on a woman until she has either become uncomfortable or you have performed every move one can make in public/with clothes on<br /><br />-2> If she's comfortable with every move, ask her to come home with you"<br /><br />So the chick in your scenario just sits there doing nothing and then, like magic, she decides it's cool to go home with you? You're just as full of shit as the PUAtards you criticize. <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-34670352070237916122013-01-03T07:30:59.355-08:002013-01-03T07:30:59.355-08:00GLL is the guy who things that ssk08 guy from his ...GLL is the guy who things that ssk08 guy from his forums is a beast, when in reality, after making thousands approaches (not getting paid for any of this when he could be) and getting laid like less then 10 times from it, he is getting depression for being on the bottom of social hierarchy and not being able to get decent girl. Probably most women in the ages 18-40 from his city think he is rapist. You really love this guy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-51906579630444147232012-12-31T12:25:21.354-08:002012-12-31T12:25:21.354-08:00You are right in principle, but overall you're...You are right in principle, but overall you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. While I totally agree that lots of all this PUA stuff is bullshit, some core ideas really work.<br /><br />Attraction is not a simple yes/no thing. If it was, humanity wouldn't exists anymore, because people wouldn't be able find mates in the past. So in reality (biological) attraction is much "wider" than you may think. <br /><br />The real reason most people aren't attracted to each other isn't biological, it's because of social aspects. For example women today are quite spoiled concerning looks of men by the media which makes them *think* that they aren't attracted to a certain man - even if they are on a pure biological level. If the "PUA" is now able to circumvent this and can make the women feel just the biological attraction instead of her unrealistic expectation based on media influence, it may be possible to get her. <br /><br />A PUA would call this "creating attraction", while in fact attraction was already there but burried under a pile of social and media bullshit.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-75129618043678511192012-12-27T15:26:47.315-08:002012-12-27T15:26:47.315-08:00****Let's see if this is someone arguing in go...<b>****Let's see if this is someone arguing in good faith, or a paid PUA shill strawmanning on purpose****</b><br /><br />----I am going to post one LAST super-clear clarification----<br /><br />Here goes. (pay careful attention here)<br /><br />There are TWO things you must <em>differentiate</em> here.<br /><br />A) ATTRACTION (how much she physically lusts after your body)<br />B) INTEREST (how interested she is on ACTING out any attraction)<br /><br /><b>ARE YOU FOLLOWING SO FAR?</b> Do you get the DISTINCTION HERE? Please nod before you continue reading. Good? Good... ok...<br /><br />Now, when I say "all that matters in short-term mating", I am refering to short-term ATTRACTION. Not interest.<br /><br />OF COURSE HOW YOU APPROACH, WHAT YOU WEAR AND WHAT YOU SAY CAN AFFECT THE OUTCOME (OF COURSE!!!!!!!).<br /><br />OF COURSE THAT ONE WAY OF APPROACHING INCREASES THE ODDS OF YOU FUCKING HER OVER ANOTHER WAY OF APPROACHING (or escalating, or bantering or what not).<br /><br />WE HAVE NEVER ARGUED that behaviour doesn't change OUTCOMES. We argue the behaviour doesn't change ATTRACTION (in the short-term).<br /><br />Do<br />You<br />Get<br />The<br />Distinction?<br /><br />So you might say "what's the big deal, aren't you waxing semantics?". The BIG DEAL is that PUAs sell a scam where they say that by simply changing your behaviour you can "create" attraction in the short-term in a <b>SIGNIFICANT</b> way.<br /><br /><br />=======>(in other words a woman who'd never even <i>consider</i> the idea of fucking you, would now fuck you, simply coz you walked or talked differently - THIS is what game claims to sell <======<br /><br />GET IT? This is what we're arguing.<br /><br />We are not arguing that behaviour changes outcomes. OF COURSE IT DOES. The major difference is that if you know that attraction is <i>almost entirely</i> static in the short-term you BECOME MORE PRODUCTIVE.<br /><br />Instead of focuing on behaviour to "generate attraction", you instead focus on <i>"how do I locate the women who already have potential attraction in me, and how do I behave to get them to act on that attraction"</i>.<br /><br />MAKE SENSE?Alek Novyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00727239708216696902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-73108802787300540012012-12-27T09:44:58.192-08:002012-12-27T09:44:58.192-08:00Good point, and I totally agree. What I was mockin...Good point, and I totally agree. What I was mocking was Roosh still trying to create this image of an envious lifestyle by spinning the slightest wins into evidence of living a rockstar life, when he consistently has shown that spectacular crash and burn failures are his actual norm.<br /><br />I wasn't mocking him for his failures but rather for his persistent delusions of grandeur in spite of his failures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-30684750050517435912012-12-27T05:11:08.984-08:002012-12-27T05:11:08.984-08:00Hey man,
I've clicked on your second link, an...Hey man,<br /><br />I've clicked on your second link, and look what I found in the abstract:<br /><br />"Women with an unrestricted sociosexual orientation, as compared to women with a restricted sociosexual orientation, are more likely to engage in short-term relationships and obtain fewer nongenetic resources from their mates. Thus, they should place heavy emphasis on male masculinity as a sign of genetic benefits available from their mates."<br /><br />Do you know what "heavy emphasis on male masculinity" means? (Hint: it's not about "game".)<br /><br />In good old PUA shill fashion, you set up a strawman. Alek Novy has written "Studies have found that all that matters in short-term attraction (same-night, same-week mating) is looks, physical typing, facial shape, height etc..." You get hung up on "all that matters", but what he meant was obviously that those factors are the most important ones, and "game" won't compensate for any deficiencies on that part.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-90451595968385750612012-12-27T04:58:33.249-08:002012-12-27T04:58:33.249-08:00Aaron, that's what I have been doing. "al...Aaron, that's what I have been doing. "all that matters" is a strong claim and as far as I can see, it's not supported by the usual suspects like <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/376321.stm" rel="nofollow">BBC</a>, <a href="http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1023%2FA%3A1021889228469" rel="nofollow">this</a> and <a href="http://www.biomotionlab.ca/Text/ProvostTrojeQuinsey2008.pdf" rel="nofollow">this</a>. I see numbers clearly and repeatedly indicating increasing importance of looks during short term mating, but nothing that totally excludes all other traits.Randian Herohttp://www.randianhero.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-2675653735577799032012-12-27T04:19:23.563-08:002012-12-27T04:19:23.563-08:00@RANDIAN HERO
@Randian
We've argued about al...@RANDIAN HERO<br /><br />@Randian<br /><br />We've argued about all of this and all the studies over at seductionmyth a year ago. That's your website for the more academic and analytical debunking of PUA shit.Alek Novyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00727239708216696902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-62448673061102081912012-12-27T00:22:23.251-08:002012-12-27T00:22:23.251-08:00I do have a copy of this book in my personal libra...I do have a copy of this book in my personal library. However, I have no distinct memories of it. I either read it and quickly forgot about it, or I just never read it.<br /><br />It has been about a decade since I last tried to read any of his books, though, so I might have another go at it. Thanks for the suggestion!Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-467573728693058682012-12-27T00:13:39.858-08:002012-12-27T00:13:39.858-08:00Randian Hero,
why don't you spend five minute...Randian Hero,<br /><br />why don't you spend five minutes on Google and Google Scholar, instead of demonstrating to the world that you require handholding with the most basic task of the Internet age.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-72153448955586556792012-12-27T00:12:23.365-08:002012-12-27T00:12:23.365-08:00George,
do you seriously believe that your "...George,<br /><br />do you seriously believe that your "childhood friend" gets girls because he is "turning his head slowly"?<br /><br />I find it amazing how desperate you PUA shills have become.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-32310376636903228432012-12-26T12:25:02.843-08:002012-12-26T12:25:02.843-08:00One of my best childhood friends had what can be c...One of my best childhood friends had what can be called "natural game" thanks to alpha mannerisms. So this is not a Loch Ness myth. When looking at it in retrospect, he has very typical alpha mannerisms (yes, the ones that the PUA guys like Mystery also talk about) for example turning his head slowly when called, speaking slowly, not trying to prove himself etc, never ashamed of himself. In an environment with few girls and many other good looking guys, he still had no competition. The fact that he had bigger sisters and that his family was always relaxed about sex probably also had a significant role.<br /><br />Now when I think of it, I had also a younger friend that was the typical guy that would never be nervous or afraid even of the older guys in the school or the teachers. Just by coincidence half the girls had a crush on him? His taller brother that had similar looks (both clearly above average) and talents was instead a bit uncomfortable and attention seeking, and got no girls at all. Now you can say that this is not "game" but this was always what I found most interesting in pickup, and I don't think it's wrong to call it "game".Georgehttp://www.georgemeany.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-55517142928349560512012-12-26T11:36:55.036-08:002012-12-26T11:36:55.036-08:00Alek Novy said:
Studies have found that all that m...Alek Novy said:<br /><i>Studies have found that all that matters in short-term attraction (same-night, same-week mating) is looks, physical typing, facial shape, height etc...</i><br />I'm well aware of the studies showing that ovulating women are more prone to want short term sex and are more attracted to masculine facial features. But is there really any studies showing that the physical attributes are "all that matters"?<br /><br /><i>In the long-term however they've found that things like status, wealth, personality traits (etc) start playing a role.</i><br /><br />What studies exactly are you referring to here? thanksRandian Herohttp://www.randianhero.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-6019213260342091782012-12-24T10:44:47.489-08:002012-12-24T10:44:47.489-08:00Sleazy -
Have you read "The Great Gatsby?&qu...Sleazy -<br /><br />Have you read "The Great Gatsby?" It's pretty much the most extreme version of what you're talking about - guy falls in love, gets rejected, and transforms himself *entirely.* Becomes rich and successful high-status socialite. All so he can have a chance with this one girl.<br /><br />... which makes it tragic when he still fails.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com