tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post6854416400638062175..comments2023-05-17T08:14:10.789-07:00Comments on Men, Women, and Society: Guest Post: Uber-alpha manosphere writers meet up in DC, fail to get laid (by Shackleford)Aaron Sleazyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-12769719029323411552013-12-29T01:07:34.825-08:002013-12-29T01:07:34.825-08:00Ahahaha. I always knew Bronan was full of shit. Th...Ahahaha. I always knew Bronan was full of shit. This just confirms it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-29608564222813829332012-12-16T23:16:40.849-08:002012-12-16T23:16:40.849-08:00Sup sleazy, I just wanted to let you know I came h...Sup sleazy, I just wanted to let you know I came here from a link on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Whoever you are, I think y'all hitting the big time son.<br /><br />lol, see ya around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-87521954045443995362012-11-04T03:38:00.929-08:002012-11-04T03:38:00.929-08:00I read "Pimp" by Iceberg Slim. One of hi...I read "Pimp" by Iceberg Slim. One of his psychiatrists in jail said "All pimps hate their mothers". Goddamn! It was certainly true of Mr Slim. I wonder if it's generally true of the PUA crowd?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-84776188783326923572012-11-02T09:34:02.552-07:002012-11-02T09:34:02.552-07:00I'm pretty sure that all of these guys lie abo...I'm pretty sure that all of these guys lie about their accomplishments, this include the so called "honest" or "genuinine" gurus as well.<br /><br />Have you ever heared them say how they worked 72 hours in a row? Please, you got to be kidding me! Try to be productive with only 4 hours of sleep, it simply doesn't work and now you're telling me that you worked 72 hours without sleep in a row? That has got to be some shitty work! Or you either slept the entire week to catch up on some lost sleep!<br /><br />Or they all say they worked 16 hours a day after they quit their job. Then afterwards they state that they would have been too tired if they still kept their regular job. But if you truly worked 16 hours, then it wouldn't be a problem if you just worked 8 hours. Isn't it? I mean 16-8 is still 8 hours.<br /><br />These guys contradict themselves beyond belief. <br /><br />I'll be writing a review about some of those genuinine gurus, since I've encountered a couple of them in the past. <br /><br /><br /><br />crazyhorsenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-45903521248399681852012-11-01T15:33:21.151-07:002012-11-01T15:33:21.151-07:00there is going to be another meetup in toronto htt...there is going to be another meetup in toronto http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-17141.html<br />if anyone want to go remember to bring a notebook and a pencil for the notes exchanging at the barRicardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-69245633121563097742012-11-01T09:55:10.735-07:002012-11-01T09:55:10.735-07:00Alek, your comment above nailed it on its head. In...Alek, your comment above nailed it on its head. In one of the first coaching sessions I took with Rob Judge, he told me that I should go out and do a 30 day challenge. If it's hard, then just step out during lunch for an hour and talk to chicks. At the time I wondered, how the fuck are these guys able to take out all this time to meet women. Coz like, I barely get any time to do all that shit after other things in my life!<br /><br />The point you made about your blog - if you see my blog too, the content there has literally just been blurted out. There hasn't been any editing on any post what so ever. Everything has been written in one shot and that's it. <br /><br />Johnnyhttp://anti-pua-johnny.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-70293451398479204672012-10-31T18:12:50.687-07:002012-10-31T18:12:50.687-07:00If he ever writes a book i would be the first to b...<em>If he ever writes a book i would be the first to buy it</em><br /><br />I will never ever ever ever sell a book ever. If I ever sell a book, it means I have become a scammer. Sorry to generalize, but it's almost impossible to go for-profit and stay legit. It's the nature of profit which turns even the most honest guys into scammers. I've seen it time and time and time again. <br /><br />I'll probably write a 10 page forum topic on Aaron's forum, not a book, if I get around to it, and yes the problem is I am too busy living life to actually write anything. <br /><br />That's the whole problem with pua and anti-pua. Those who can't -teach, because those who can are too busy doing it :d I mean fuck... It's like by definition that if you have a fulfilling life you won't be able to sit around and talk about it. <br /><br />Like how the fuck do Roissy's readers not get how much time and effort goes into HAVING A LIFE? Like I remember when I was on my anti-pua crusade...<br /><br />-> I Posted 10 times less often than Roissy<br />-> I just blurted out shit in a random rant format with zero editing or concious thought. I would basically type away stream of conciousness and hit post.<br /><br />At the same time Roissy had like 10 times more written content, which included an amount of fine editing and word-crafting that would take most professional writers hours upon hours to produce... (on top of manually editing, moderating, splicing and reviewing hundreds of comments a day)<br /><br />Now, ME PERSONALLY having had a blog and commenting pattern that takes 100x less time and effort to maintain than Roissy's - I was starting to crumble. Like both my Business and Social life were suffering. <br /><br />Am I clear in what I am trying to communicate? If I a person who maintained a 100 times less elaborate blog found it impossible to maintain alongside having a successful business/LIFE... how the fuck is it possible that Roissy actually has a life? Unless Roissy is a pseudonym for 20 different people, by definition that guy has to be a hermit. It's impossible to have an active lifestyle and be Roissy. Just un-possible.<br /><br />AlekNovynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-91054794892961927552012-10-31T15:54:14.282-07:002012-10-31T15:54:14.282-07:00i really like alek novy advices because they work ...i really like alek novy advices because they work in the real world and they arent theories or random generalizations. the thing is that he doesnt have time to write a guide or a book because he is to busy living his life. he doesnt has time to have 2 blogs, a twitter and a forum like Roosh V. If he ever writes a book i would be the first to buy itRicardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-88278766485374649092012-10-31T14:58:10.289-07:002012-10-31T14:58:10.289-07:00Anonymous October 30, 2012 1:46 PM
"Far as I ...Anonymous October 30, 2012 1:46 PM<br />"Far as I can tell, the term "manosphere" was coined by the Roissyite bloggers, not by the bloggers who are strictly non-PUA MRA. I think the general consensus is that manosphere = Roissyite racist/PUA/fearmonger"<br /><br />here is a post that explain the manosphere<br />http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2012/05/manosphere.html<br /><br />he divides the manosphere in:<br />Divorce/Marriage/Religious Bloggers<br />Economics and Political Philosophy<br />Female Manosphere Bloggers<br />PUA/Gaming Community (Roissy,Roosh V)<br /><br />there is also @EvilPatriarchy on twitter that follow all of the manosphere gaming sectionRicardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-55266199522242348732012-10-31T11:07:03.955-07:002012-10-31T11:07:03.955-07:00@ Alek
wow that's insane :)
I would be more ...@ Alek<br /><br />wow that's insane :)<br /><br />I would be more then curious to read that guide. But my guess is that you don't plan on writing it in the near future?<br /><br />I'll post some questions on Sleazy's forum.<br /><br />Yes if you can actually leave gamer dogma aside, then sleazy's place is a heaven :Dcrazyhorsenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-63971887978999760812012-10-31T00:50:31.698-07:002012-10-31T00:50:31.698-07:00"I can't fucking believe I ever fucking d..."I can't fucking believe I ever fucking did cold approaching in my life. I wish I could go back in time and slap myself in the face for being such an idiot wasting time. Niches are only about 10,000 times better and easier"<br /><br />I am sure you already know this about me, but even I am literally in disbelief as to why I spent even a day cold approaching chicks. I told someone on Sleazy's forum that I haven't approached even one random chick in around 6-8 months. I have asked out roughly 6 chicks in the past few months of which I got 4 chicks. Rejection as a concept has practically disappeared from my dating vocabulary. Oh, and I barely spent time chasing women as I am too busy with setting up a company. <br /><br />When I compare this with my time running around (literally) on the streets of New York, roaming malls asking girls "my little sister's birthday is coming up, what should I buy her" and the like, I sometimes laugh at my stupidity and want to slap myself the rest of the timeJohnnyhttp://anti-pua-johnny.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-31269537394762494542012-10-30T23:22:11.235-07:002012-10-30T23:22:11.235-07:00Christmas Cookies asked
"""I know ...Christmas Cookies asked <br /><i>"""I know you know all this and probably could have written as much yourself. I try to respect their journey, because on some level "who hasn't been there before?". We act like we're addressing static entities, as if these people will never learn, and this will just persist. In fact they are probably in an incredible state of flux, and not 1 in 5 of them will be around without having revolutionized their views in the near future. <br /><br />They wanted to throw a costume party, preen themselves a bit and test out some theories. What is God's universe for, if not precisely these sorts of experiments in understanding the nature of the self?"""</i><br /><br />The way you phrased it - they sound very innocuous and harmless. The main issue is their forcefulness in trying to shove their cult onto others. The issue is with the way they go around recruiting gullible and/or naive young men into their worldview (one where membership can screw up 5-10 years of your life).<br /><br />Another issue is how they parasitically leech off of other movements with actual value (how they try to suck off of MRA), and how they try to present themselves as spokespersons for all of malehood.<br /><br />Alek Novyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00727239708216696902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-27522326468489242972012-10-30T17:49:16.192-07:002012-10-30T17:49:16.192-07:00"girls know in 5-10 seconds if they are attra..."girls know in 5-10 seconds if they are attracted to you and if they arent attracted then you cant do anything about it"<br /><br />Not to nitpick, but I have to add a disclaimer here. What you said only applies to short-term (cold-approach) attraction. If you're in a niche it's common for chicks who had no interest in you initially to later become attracted to you based on your changing status in the niche, a change in their circumstance or mere hormonal changes etc... etc...Alek Novyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00727239708216696902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-53059106240830926492012-10-30T17:28:27.928-07:002012-10-30T17:28:27.928-07:00I had two one night-stands in the past 10 days. I ...I had two one night-stands in the past 10 days. I just came home from the second one (blonde TV Milf that I jerked off to when I was in high schoool lol)... Oh, and I also refused two one-night-stand offers in the same time period for lack of time/logistics. The blondie tonight paid for a luxury condo to do the deed in, so I said yes.<br /><br />I can't fucking believe I ever fucking did cold approaching in my life. I wish I could go back in time and slap myself in the face for being such an idiot wasting time. Niches are only about 10,000 times better and easier. All I did to get an amazing sex-life was to:<br /><br />a) Join a niche<br />b) Become well known in it and obtain status in it<br />c) Flirt with every chick<br /><br />-C1> I am just hyper-sexual with my banter and turn everything into a sexual innuendo and I<br /><br />-C2> Do a ton of touching. Basically I touch all chicks as if I have already fucked her before<br /><br />Eventually chicks just offer you sex, either through hinting it, hyper-sexual flirting&touching on their part or outright asking you to fuck them. <br /><br />p.s.<br /><br />Now "b) Become well known in it and obtain status in it" could have an entire book written about it, and I plan to write a huge guide on it and publish it on say Aaron's forum or wherever. <br /><br />But basically there is a way to join a niche and become one of the most popular and well known men in it within 6-12 months, to where most chicks in the niche know of you, most people know you and you are popular and enjoy high status in the niche. It's easy, and Aaron has touched upon the basics in his book.Alek Novyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00727239708216696902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-53403066886249074292012-10-30T14:57:42.480-07:002012-10-30T14:57:42.480-07:00Oh, that dude now wants to branch out into life co...Oh, that dude now wants to branch out into life coaching:<br />http://wilmingtondatingcoach.com/<br /><br />Doesn't this sound awfully familiar?Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-43012934569394789172012-10-30T14:54:15.396-07:002012-10-30T14:54:15.396-07:00They are dropping like flies... It's quite ama...They are dropping like flies... It's quite amazing what a bit of opposition can lead to.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-20456789567390069082012-10-30T14:42:44.705-07:002012-10-30T14:42:44.705-07:00Another manosphere blog shut down after the Univer...Another manosphere blog shut down after the University of Man <br />http://thealphapersona.comRicardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-78499866830995288412012-10-30T13:49:02.986-07:002012-10-30T13:49:02.986-07:00Is it related to the current topic at hand, Roissy...Is it related to the current topic at hand, Roissyite/Roosh/Manosphere gamers, or something else altogether?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-87182781575057684022012-10-30T13:46:50.768-07:002012-10-30T13:46:50.768-07:00Far as I can tell, the term"manosphere" ...Far as I can tell, the term"manosphere" was coined by the Roissyite bloggers, not by the bloggers who are strictly non-PUA MRAs. For example I've never seen Paul Elam call himself part of the manosphere. I don't know if the definition has been expanded but I think the general consensus is that manosphere = Roissyite racist/PUA/fearmonger Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-39641612791583205242012-10-30T13:12:25.040-07:002012-10-30T13:12:25.040-07:00Hint: another free ebook.Hint: another free ebook.Aaron Sleazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704230661761052919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-78515952429181717232012-10-30T13:09:51.869-07:002012-10-30T13:09:51.869-07:00Can't wait :DCan't wait :Dcrazyhorsenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-11559993930880172302012-10-30T12:33:32.531-07:002012-10-30T12:33:32.531-07:00Christmas Cookies-
Fair point. The early 20s pack...Christmas Cookies-<br /><br />Fair point. The early 20s pack male behavior is something almost all of us went through. The guys in the PUA manosphere are in that phase or in an extended phase, and it's natural to some extent. I don't even think its worth attacking 95 percent of those blogs, because most of them are just kinda harmless (ie you don't even have to read the subtext of Bronan the Barbarian's blog to realize his life his lame. It's there...in the text).<br /><br />I attacked the University of Man specifically, however, because of his attempt to be a happy meal Roissy: lazy interpretation of studies, huckster game science, and a walking correlation/causation fallacy. He also once bragged about dating a stripper who held a Phd, and who also made money stripping while never taking her clothes off at the club. Please read that one again. <br /><br />Shacklefordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-14593683117076694752012-10-30T11:45:03.398-07:002012-10-30T11:45:03.398-07:00Fidelbogen -
I'm referring specifically to t...Fidelbogen - <br /><br />I'm referring specifically to the PUAs. I sometimes forget that the manosphere includes general MRA writers with no game stuff, so the "Red Pill" is meant to delineate the gamers from the strict MRA writers. I actually haven't been exposed to the MRA part of the manosphere, so anything I write is strictly directed at the PUAs. <br /><br />From what I understand, the Red Pill metaphor - from a PUA/game standpoint - is simply saying that adopting Roissy's imitation alpha persona, instead of acting yourself or "beta" or whatever, will open up the world of women to you. Roissy also claims this type of behavior will save your marriage/relationship. The marriage claim can't be tested, has been debunked via anecdote, and is also of absolutely no interest to me, so I'm more focused on the pick up theory. <br /><br />From what I can gather, Roissy's red pill theory of pick up is based on being a single guy in DC's Adams Morgan neighborhood in the early to mid-00. During that time, Adams Morgan was a post-college frat doucehbag atmosphere. Lots of wannabe masters-of-the-universe from mediocre private colleges wearing pastel polo shirts. Roissy took his experiences there and applied them across human nature, cherry picking from evo-psych articles whenever they seemed to support his hypothesis. It flows naturally, then, that the roissy/roosh sphere of game is just advocating mid-20s frat guy barhopping. It's the only thing he knows. He also employs a clever rhetorical trick wherein he acknowledges that men can get laid through a different lifestyle (musician/artist/book clubs/volunteering etc.), but then he turns around and basically calls these type of guys "fags" who are bringing down america. He dangles the carrot in front of you, then calls you a pussy from trying to eat it. This way, he ensures that his followers only try HIS way of getting laid. Which naturally lead to the manosphere meet-up disaster.Shacklefordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-27508125415116786102012-10-30T11:02:29.502-07:002012-10-30T11:02:29.502-07:00Hmm...in terms of the manosphere or in general? In...Hmm...in terms of the manosphere or in general? In terms of general game stuff, The advice I've seen from Assanova and Sleazy in the forums is solid; assanova's recent post on "social anxiety," serves as a good example. As far as the manosphere goes, I feel that all game based on scripting an interaction in your favor is complete junk, outside of the general common sense stuff of being non-needy and knowing how to have a normal conversation. It's far too idiosyncratic from person to person, situation to situation, to be able to line-read your way to victory.<br /><br />Basically, I support anybody who has an approach that emphasizes finding a niche you are passionate about that has a SOCIAL element to it, and then getting involved in that scene. Even then, that advice strikes me more as common sense than anything. Notice that I put the word "social" in there, though, because the "lifestyle" advice in the Roosh-sphere emphasize activities that have no social interaction. All those red pill blogs talk about the same basic activities as if they discovered the dead sea scrolls: going to the gym, eating "well" (paleo), dressing better. Anybody can do those fucking things, and none of those activities involve you going out and actually meeting a woman in an environment where common interests are shared. Shacklefordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1830949294679547966.post-4694329876622576642012-10-30T10:44:32.325-07:002012-10-30T10:44:32.325-07:00Anybody who uses the "parent's basement&q...Anybody who uses the "parent's basement" trope, for any reason, ever, is presumptively a shallow asshole and not worth talking to. No questions asked. Fidelbogenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11727779008823649682noreply@blogger.com