A case in point for a questionable coping strategy is "DJ Fuji" who prefers boosting his height by more than just a couple of inches. Unfortunately, I couldn't find an unaltered picture in my 45 seconds Google image search, so I had to settle for one off PUAHate. Notice how his upper body immediately strikes you as being too short. Thus, you invariably look down and notice his shoes.
If height was such a non-issue, then "DJ Fuji" surely goes to great lengths to compensate for his lack. Similarly, Mystery and Strauss advocated boosting your height by all possible means. Do they know something the average seduction student doesn't? Here's a typical comment, copy & pasted from some forum:
Seems to me like Aaron has submitted to the social conditioned brainwashing that its all about your looks height and money. Funny enough I know some tall good looking guys myself who have a very hard time hooking up with girls while their short average-looking friends seems to get all the attention in the bar. Sleazy is absolutely overestamating (sic!) the value height or looks is for a girl, a hot girl is so damn used to that shit its just "usual stuff".Let me just deal with the last argument first, and imagine you were a male model that was being chased by one beautiful girl after another. Would you then think, once you see an unattractive and overweight girl, "Ah, finally not the usual stuff!", and immediately go after her? I'll leave the answer as an exercise to the reader.
Of course, I am not saying that if you are not tall, then your only option is to masturbate until the cows come home. Quite the opposite is true. It is simply a fact that women generally prefer men who are roughly the same height, but also that there are ways to compensate. For instance, if you are 5'5" or shorter, but have a really great body, you'll still get plenty of attention. I have very recently witnessed this in real life, namely a body builder picking up a couple of books in the library. He was wearing a tank top, thus exposing quite a bit of skin, and plenty of girls were eye-fucking him. Money and popularity will help, too, but that's not news to you, at least if you are roughly familiar with my view on seduction, or generally prefer reality over fiction.
The argument normally goes that X knows someone who is tall and/or good-looking but can't get anywhere with girls, while he has a short friend who cuts a wide swath. Upon further probing, though, it always emerges that the short guy has some redeeming qualities, and that the tall one is, say, very awkward. However, the tall awkward guy can fix his behavior, and ceteris paribus, he will then stand a better chance than the short guy.
The message is thus to strenghten your foundations. If you are a tall, socially awkward guy, then acquire solid social skills, and if you are short and are neglected by the ladies, then working out will severely boost your chances. By the way, Frank Zane was just 5'9", and this is what he looked like:
The key to dealing with height is to simply accept it as it is. You can't change it, so don't spend mental energy on it. Instead of arguing that someone who points out to you that ceteris paribus a taller guy is almost universally more attractive than a shorter one (beyond 6'4" or 6'5" this is debatable, though) is "negative", hit the gym, make more money, or try to increase your popularity. After all, it's improbable that you'll ever compete with for a particular woman with a guy who is exactly like you but two inches taller.
I'll agree with this. Height definitely matters. Arguing how much it matters is neither useful nor possible. Just move on and focus on things you can change.
ReplyDelete"Seems to me like Aaron has submitted to the social conditioned brainwashing that its all about your looks height and money. Funny enough I know some tall good looking guys myself who have a very hard time hooking up with girls while their short average-looking friends seems to get all the attention in the bar. Sleazy is absolutely overestamating (sic!) the value height or looks is for a girl, a hot girl is so damn used to that shit its just "usual stuff".
ReplyDelete-The guy who wrote this comment is most likely coming from a nerd pua frame of mind. He probably sees his short buddies making girls laugh, having long conversations with girls, getting reactions etc. But it's unclear if his buddy gets laid by these girls. Whereas these goodlooking guys who are perceaved to struggle with women by this pua nerd probably are getting laid behind the scenes. Girls will laugh and joke with these entertaining guys, but at some point slip off with the hot guy who didn't get much "attention."
5'7" guy here.
ReplyDeleteI have just recently grown somewhat self conscious about my height... Before that, I barely noticed I wasn't that tall.
I rationally recognize it's a very important factor, but for some strange reason my personal experience seems to state otherwise.
My first girlfriend was taller than me, a girl I slept with a couple of years ago was WAY taller than me -and at the time I wasn't even working out nor did I have a clue about how to dress decently- and I've also been approached some times by girls that, in heels, stood awkwardly taller than me. By approach I mean senseful approaches, like them coming to me, stroking my hair, telling me that I'm cute.
I work out and have a nice body but, compared to most guys, I still have a very thin frame (126lbs!); I also don't even think my face is particularly attractive, just average/not bad.
I have always behaved like it doesn't matter, and the funny thing is it actually seemed/seems unimportant.
Still, I can see how height plays an important role. As a counterexample, when I hang out with my girl friends I can see that they almost always aim for the tallest guys.
Don't know what to extract from this contradictory pool of data!
Anonymous,
ReplyDeletewhen girls come up to you and stroke your hair, then you an't be "just average/not bad." To me it seems as if very attractive features of your face get you some girls.
Your observation that your female friends aim for the tallest guy is much more to the point. In general, women simply prefer a taller over a shorter guy (of course, this doesn't necessarily hold true if the guy is a lot taller).
The summary, though, is not necessarily that the data pool contradicts itself but that you are merely an exception to the rule. In statistics, this is reflected by not considering "outliers" in an analysis.
Height does matter. 5'8" here. I thankfully do have a good facial features and I am very fit so that helps too, and I have come to terms with it, for example my brother who is 6", good facial features and has a good physique too, gets approached more than I do.
ReplyDeleteI would recommend short guys to wear darker colors, keep a low body fat, a healthy adonix index/shoulder to waist ratio. Also if they can afford make custom shoes and add a heel of an inch and a half helps a lot.
There is no need to have your shoes custom-made. Just get some inlays that increase your perceived height half an inch or an inch, and it'll have the same effect. It's certainly a good recommendation. After all, girls normally exaggerate their height as well, and I certainly don't see many short girls wearing flat shoes.
DeleteHeight matters but you claim baldness doesn't? LOL, you're a delusional fuckwit. Stay privileged, asshole.
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