I suspect Roosh was getting laid in America (gee I sure hope so...because he certainly writes alot about it), but he was NEVER in a position to criticize American women on the whole...because he was always banging LOWER QUALITY.
For example that's like eating the worst pizzas in town and then claiming ALL pizzas are disgusting. It's all about the competition and the level of talent. A Danish 6 is not an American 6, because grades vary with the country. Yet if you can bang only 6 at home, you can still find the countries where 6 are hotter, and that's what Roosh is doing.
Have you read this entry?
Some of the girls in the pictures were decent some were not. I personally don't see the difference between these girls and the girls in most major American cities...Roosh even mentions this in the link.
I quote:
...You’re probably thinking, “Well NYC or Miami has these types of girls everywhere, too.” Great, but are banging them? Are they giving you the time of day without attitude? Are they fun to interact with? Do they know how to please you? Are you happy with them? If the answer to those questions is yes, then congratulations, you’re the man.
I have NO TROUBLE with western women...
...But I know how the situation is for the average man in most American cities.
The "average man" he is referring to isn't average at all...not everyone is as lame as him.
I don't buy the excuse that Western girls have attitude. Initially, some of them do...but it's all an act, otherwise they'd have no friends. Girls in the Ukraine or Poland may behave differently...but that doesn't make them more easier to bang (Roosh even admits on the link above).
Let's now talk about the type of girls Roosh hooks up with. He clearly tells us the types of girls he goes after (whether it's in American or abroad).
In this post Roosh shows everyone how limited he really is:
This Saturday night I’m going out NOT to practice my game, build my skills, make a girl laugh, entertain her friends, or have a good time. I'M GOING OUT TO FUCK. EVERYTHING I DO after the moment I leave my door will be to find a girl who is open to having sex with me that same night.
This guy obviously watches too much porn (another thing he openly admits)...what he STILL doesn't realize (this post is quite old) is that if you go out looking specifically for sex, girls will sense this...especially the hot ones.
I urge everyone to read these quotes from the entry. My conclusion will make sense in the end...trust me:
Your fuck funnel is the series of steps you take from the approach all the way to sex. MOST GIRLS will drop out as they go through your funnel by losing interest, declaring they have a boyfriend, flaking out, throwing up, or a multitude of other reasons that prevent sex. This means that for ever one girl you fuck, you have to approach A LOT of girls...
and again:
...MY GOAL is to get laid EVERY NIGHT I go out, something that can only be reached by PASSING ON GIRLS WHO ARE NOT GOOD PROSPECTS.
Are you guys still with me?
I have found out that GIRLS WHO WANT TO FUCK ME THE SAME NIGHT tend to give eerily similar responses to my stock answers.
Long quotes, so I apologize. But the capitals emphasize my point...Roosh ONLY goes for girls who are DTF. This is guaranteed to give you paltry results...because the HOTTER the girl, the MORE options she has...the LESS likely she will be willing to fuck someone she just met the same night EVEN IF SHE LIKES YOU.
Now, in my next quote think of the type of girl who would do this:
...I ask her if she’s getting drunk. She’ll say no and then I respond, “Well then how about I buy you ten shots of vodka and then take advantage of you?” She’ll laugh at this and say she doesn’t want ten shots of vodka. Then I joke, “How about I put a drug in your drink?” I mime the act of drugging her drink. If the girl stiffens up and says, “No drugs you rapist!” then she will not fuck me that night. If a girl laughs, and then soon leaves her drink unattended in my presence, I guarantee you I’m fucking her. It has happened to me countless times where I hit her with my drug joke and she asks me to watch her drink while she goes to the bathroom...
In case you missed it Roosh emphasizes the type of girl again:
...Think about that for a second: she’s leaving her drink unattended with a guy who just joked about raping her.
Did you think of the type of girl yet? I bet it wasn't a 9...heck, I bet it wasn't even a 7.
Even worse in fact, is that in this post Roosh inadvertently proves that the Polish girls he banged were BIGGER "SLUTS" than the American sluts...
I quote:
In the past, I NEVER CREATED A ONE-NIGHT STAND. I banged GIRLS WHO WERE HORNY, HADN"T BEEN LAID IN A WHILE, and would have PROBABLY FUCKED ANOTHER GUY IF I DIDN"T SHOW UP".
This, of course is referring to the American girls he banged in the past. Girls who are "horny" (without being turned on) "...hadn't been laid in a while..." (which is him inadvertently admitting girls who are too ugly to get laid) and "...would've fucked another guy if I didn't show up..." (again the subtext here is sluts who would fuck ANYONE...these girls tend to be UGLY and are NOT the hot ones).
So Roosh wasn't fucking the NORMAL American girls but the HOES...(which he then idiotically suggests is ALL American girls...which is born out of the frustration of not getting with the hots ones).
But what about the Polish girls?
I quote:
...But in Poland I created bangs. They HAD BOYFRIENDS or were ACTIVELY GETTING FUCKED BY ANOTHER GUY. They WEREN"T cruising for cock and some NEVER had a one-night stand before...
In Poland (apparently) girls who weren't sluts were fucking him (which was NOT happening in America)...meaning they WERE BIGGER sluts than the American girls.
And before you start praising Roosh for banging Polish sluts in this thread...
Roosh admits:
Even in Poland, a place I've lavished much praise on, (which he rightly would...because it was the one place where he ACTUALLY got laid) I have not hesitated to tell you of the BUTTERFACE problem. The truth is that Polish girls GET SMOKED in most Eastern European countries...
Translation? In America, Roosh ONLY banged ugly sluts...However, in Poland, Roosh...ONLY banged ugly sluts.
The End.
PUA hate: "Blablabla PUA can't create attraction"
ReplyDeleteRoosh: "I created the bang"
PUA hate: "see, women are SLUTS"
Logic anyone ?
You should read the "lower quality" part again. There is a big difference between claiming to create attraction, which you can't, and claiming to "create a bang", which apparently applies to unattractive women that would take basically any dude that walks up to them. The fist notion is nonsensical, the second one is absurd.
DeleteI was digging your posts early on 3agle 3yes, but as people pointed out in the comments to your previous installments, the whole attitude of bashing any chick who isn't a prude as being a worthless slut I find a little troubling. In the forum when asked about this stuff you gave some responses I strongly disagree with:
ReplyDeleteSluts are low quality women. They have sex for self-esteem not pleasure, hence, Roosh having a hard time giving one an orgasm (or they are turned on easily lowering their value...meaning their pussy is open to all and are untrustworthy , read the links too). Roosh admitted he NEVER created the one-night stands with them (i.e. the attraction), they were merely left overs. Remember QUALITY women aren't desperate and are HARD TO HAVE SEX WITH because they have many GOOD options. This explains why Roosh COULDN'T have one-night stands with them and subsequently why he condemns American women...the quality ones are notouriously hard to hook up with as they have MANY good options (America has many successful men). Hence Roosh's tendency to travel and CHEAT the system, however he CANNOT cheat the system as I have pointed out in prevous posts.
Quality women are monogamous when in a relationship...because they are FAITHFUL and because sex with them ONLY happens when the men intiate it (men who know how to CREATE attraction using foreplay i.e. the "alpha male").
I don't agree with Roosh's views, but your views are problematic in another way. A little too Madonna/Whore, like with that view that attractive women never have self-esteem issues and quality women never initiate sex.
Yep, and it sounds a lil' bit too much like "only guys who are very successful will bang quality chicks, the rest can suck it".
DeletePlus I am sorry, even Roosh is tragically flawed and have bad intentions, he does deserve a decent girl.
The anti PUA/Manosphere relies a little too much on materialistic crap like bottle service. If you have an intersting life and know your shit, girls will bang you for that.
Roosh's life is not what the masses may call "a success" but it's still quite interesting, he took risks, he accomplished things. Maybe not for the right reasons... that's why he ll have problem retaining a quality girl, but laying one ? Fuck yeah. I nailed some doing 10% of what he's doing.
Yep, and it sounds a lil' bit too much like "only guys who are very successful will bang quality chicks, the rest can suck it".
DeleteIt's funny, eagle's post managed to be BOTH misogynistic AND misandric at the same. It's quite a feat.
The slut-shaming part sounded like it was written by a 1850's ultra-religious man. And the ending of the post might have as well been written by a man-hating Marcotte-type feminist.
I mean seriously, the way he worded that "you losers can't get laid, stop whining losers if you're not good enough for hotties" could have been written by a pop-feminist blogger, word-for-word.
I think when one feels like a minority fighting a large majority, it's very tempting to accept everyone under your banner.
I don't believe that every enemy of my enemy is automatically my friend. So I don't think everyone bashing Roosh/Roissy/Manosphere is my friend. In fact, I find eagle's posts quite problematic in many ways.
I used to warn MRAs in the past of this same danger. Originally MRAs used to accept anyone ranting against feminists as "one of ours", which for a while allowed some nuts into the MRA camp (guys who were anti-feminist for the wrong reasons, i.e. insane guys, conspiracy theorists etc etc).
It's just as important to filter out guys who are anti-pua for the wrong reasons...
@Grizzly.
DeleteIt wasn't "people" who pointed it out in the comments. It was me, alek. Btw, you haven't dropped by to my private blog as of late. I dedicated a post-reply to you on there.
Plus I am sorry, even Roosh is tragically flawed and have bad intentions, he does deserve a decent girl.
DeleteWhy does he "deserve" a decent girl? That's as bad as the American girl who thinks she "deserves" a good man and expects her life to be like a romantic comedy just because she has a vagina and isn't an outright prostitute. "Deserve" has nothing to do with it.
The anti PUA/Manosphere relies a little too much on materialistic crap like bottle service.
Which anti-Manosphere people have been relying too much on materialistic crap like bottle service? In fact, Roosh himself just this past week had a post promoting bottle service as the new thing to do.
The truth is Roosh took some risks, quitting his job to live like a bum in South America, learning many foreign languages (something the immense majority of Americans is incapable of doing), travelling and having some fucked up stories under his belt and now earning a living from telling people what he thinks.
DeleteSorry but this is way more ballsy than graduating from college and be a middle manager in a big corporation to pay back your student loan.
So yeah, maybe he did all that for the wrong reasons, which is to get laid easily (and this showed when he posted this crap about "omg bottle service gets girls so wet, I wish I had that".
Maybe the only guys who are buying his crap are lost dudes in their early 20s. Still, he accomplished things.
So fuck yeah he deserves a decent girl (note that I said decent, not amazing).
Roosh did very well to market himself and find a sustainable niche, there's no denying that. The problem is that his model of personal success isn't scaleable (someone else this wrote about on the site recently, I forget where), he won't admit that traditional game doesn't work, and he isn't a great thinker, therefore making him woeful as both a political commenter and lifestyle guru.
DeleteIf his blog were just telling stories and making observations about pick-up in foreign countries, I wouldn't really care that much, and that's what his blog used to be. At some point, however, he shifted in tone and everything became one shade of "America=bad" coupled with lightweight Roissyisms (ie="hipsters suck because I don't fit in with them") that comes across as pretty childish and myopic.
Also, I'm not even sure if he deserves a decent girl. Judging by some of tweets and posts, he becomes emotional and losses his cool way too often when a pick-attempt doesn't go his way.
Alek, I just saw and replied to your post over there. Also, I said "people" because swagbeans and LaM chimed in on 3agle 3yes's slut-shaming thing at different times too.
DeleteYou put pussy beyond its value. By god I am not talking about love, or about a stellar 9/10, just a decent girl.
DeleteA girl who is cute, caring and sucks a good cock, that's all.
No guy who is doing better than average should struggle to find that.
Well, to be fair, it's not about "should" or "shouldn't." Supply and demand drives the incentives and it seems that men have to work a bit harder--I don't like it either.
DeleteBut one of my big issues with slut-shaming is that it hurts both men and women. There was a very attractive female friend of mine who once went through an unfathomably long dry spell, and in the midst of some debate I said "if you were just extremely straightforward at a party you could easily go home with someone." to which she responded that if she did that she'd be singled out as a "slut". I don't think that would have actually happened in the setting we were talking about (my friends are all very kum-ba-yah lefties), but I think that my point is clear.
And, as Alek has pointed out before, the dynamic of men being expected to do all the approaching does create a world where assholes with no boundaries have much better odds.
LaM,
DeleteWe know what you mean by decent girl. No one is putting pussy beyond its value. He doesn't take risks, but so do plenty of the girls he bangs. He talks about girls meeting him on the street at 2 AM after clubs close, going with him, banging him without condoms, and not even knowing his name. Many of them turn out to be emotionally disturbed. He could be a murderer, a nutjob, or someone with STDs. So he takes crazy risks in the pursuit of sex, does irresponsible things, and can be mean-spirited. He gets girls who often do the same thing and get emotional. To me, he seems to get back in women exactly what he puts out. To "deserve" a decent girl, he'd have to be a decent person. You say a decent girl is cute, caring and sucks a good cock. Well, is he himself cute, caring, and dedicated to giving women sexual pleasure (he admits himself that during sex all he cares about are getting his own needs met and busting his nut and can give a fuck about her needs)?
Opps, "He doesn't take risks" should read "He DOES take risks" obviously.
DeleteMy point is, what he gets in women is no less than what he puts out. I don't see any unfairness there...
No offense but I think your hatred for Roosh blinds you.
DeleteThe main thing I strongly disagree with is that you think that men and women have to bring the same values to the table, which is utterly wrong.
Nowadays a decent man has to be strong: physically strong and mentally strong. You need to shine in her eyes and make it well known that if shit hits the fan everything is gonna be just fine.
You need to be dominant at every level, and this is becoming harder and harder to do for many men, because women are becoming more masculine and are making more money.
Finally the rest is just irrelevent.
-What's wrong with going for single girls after the bar closes ? If she is hot (she rarely is, that's the problem) and down to fuck who cares when and where you meet her ? Is the only thing the differentiates a man from a raper is that one is in the bar and one is in the street ?
-I hate rubbers : ), I don't blame him for taking an educated risk here and there.
-many western girls are damaged goods. They make good fuck stories afterwards but they do some very dysfunctionnal shit, and they don't need anyone to trick them into doing it. Watch springbreak's videos if you need evidence.
1) How do men act on spring break?
Delete2) Do you think the men who drink and act like obnoxious assholes on spring break are representative of all of men?
This, of course is referring to the American girls he banged in the past. ... "...hadn't been laid in a while..." (which is him inadvertently admitting girls who are too ugly to get laid)
ReplyDeleteA minor point, but I've known plenty of attractive women who went through periods where they hadn't had sex in a while. They could have gotten laid if they wanted to, but they weren't interested for various reasons: getting over a bad break up, wanting to take time off from dating, only wanting to have sex in a relationship but not meeting any guys they were interested in, etc.
Also, they knew were hot and could get laid when they wanted to down the road, so didn't freak out if they didn't for a while. They had nothing to prove.
@LaM: I think Roosh doesn't deserve but he needs a good girl, who would makes his life pleasurable and change him for the better. The problem is his ideal mate seems to live a paradox: family oriented, feminine look and feminine behavior, sensual, intelligent without the need to intimidate, submissive, a woman with values and who has a traditional view of gender roles, but on the other hand she has to sleep with him (a stranger) after five minutes they’ve met. This woman doesn’t exist, but American men and Eastern European women usually make a great match, so I hope he’ll get his Special One lady.
ReplyDeleteblahaha "misogynist and misandric" what a bunch of faggots
ReplyDeletebehold the end game of godless hedonism: gay slap fights on the internet
lol what are you 14 yrs old?
Deletebut sure keep telling people about the 'moral imperative of game' and i'll keep laughing, harvard is wasted on you retards
Roosh's a fucked up dude, but he's got a point though.
ReplyDeleteI think what he wanted to impley with this 20 reasons post, is the fact that the average eastern eurppean woman is hotter than an american, but they also are less arrogant. I have bee nto Atlanta & Ny, as well as Warszaw, PRague, and Budapest.
Also, keep in mind that most guys are average (thats the definition of it) and those guys def. have a harder time in the US than in EE, i can confirm for myself and have heard from other guys.
Hot american girls can choose literally the top 10%, while EE girls can't always do that. This holds also for German girls (i'm from Munich)
Going after a fuck & dump is Rooshs choice; i personally don't do it. Still, if an average guy wants to get a hot girl, he's better off in EE than the US- consider that not everyone can max out their looks like sleazy and do male modelling. Even if i workout regularly and lower my bodyfat to 9% currently, i'm still in my success nowhere near EE (or South America, for that matter).
WARNING. THIS IS A LONG POST, BUT I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD READ IT.
ReplyDeleteI've been away for quite a while, but the reactions to my post are interesting. I'll try to respond to each of you...Also I apologise for the CAPITALS, I'm trying to emphasize my point.
Grizzly:"...I was digging your posts early on 3agle 3yes, but as people pointed out in the comments to your previous installments, the whole attitude of bashing any chick who isn't a prude as being a worthless slut I find a little troubling..."
First, lets have a sensible discussion here and not add words to people's quotes. Your use of the word "prude" says a lot about you. You seem to view women as binary...If women aren't looking to get fucked ON THE SAME NIGHT THEY MEET A MAN then they're prudes? REMEMBER my slut reference in that quote is in context with Roosh's experience with Western Women.
and
"...your views are problematic in another way. A little too Madonna/Whore, like with that view that attractive women never have self-esteem issues..."
For your first point, attractive women DO have self esteem issues...HOWEVER many DO NOT remedy self esteem issues BY FUCKING PERVERTED STRANGERS THAT MAKE JOKES ABOUT DRUGGING AND RAPING THEM
Read example 2 in the link.
For the record...Attractive women GAIN self esteem BY MALE ATTENTION. Hence posting provocative pictures on Facebook. ALSO every attractive woman I know has A DOZEN of potential suitors on their phone which they simply have to call....EVEN IF THEY WANT SEX they can call up previous boyfriends...ESPECIALLY THE ONES THEY HAD GOOD SEX WITH IN THE PAST (I've been that guy many, many times...however I never answer their calls because I'm not a lapdog). After all it BEATS HAVING SEX WITH AN UNKNOWN QUANTITY who will brag about her to all his friends leading to all his friends thinking she's easy.
"...your views are problematic in another way. A little too Madonna/Whore, like with that view that...quality women never initiate sex".
Your second point is ironic. And herein lies the problem for most Western men and why so many Western women have an attitude.
So many men complain about how Western women are bossy and masculine, but A WOMAN WHO INITIATES SEX IS MASCULINE.
Think about it for a moment.
A woman who is SMALLER than a man, PHYSICALLY WEAKER than a man, can potentially get RAPED and MURDERED by a man, can get PREGNANT by a man is going to imitate sex with a STRANGER which she has only met for a night?
Are you scared of a woman? Does her opinion matter to you? If you have to wait for a woman (who have LOWER sex drives BTW) to initiate sex, then you are her sex toy....and it won't be long until she is tired of you.
If she is going to initiate sex (a form of control) what else is she going to initiate? What clothes you wear? What time you should see her?
A woman gets what is given to her, not gets what she wants.
I'm going to tell you something radical...WOMEN ALWAYS ENJOY SEX MORE IF IT IS INITIATED BY THE MAN. And I don't mean "let's have sex" initiation. I'm mean take off her clothes WITHOUT SAYING A WORD INITIATION.
Lastly, there is a difference between QUALITY women and ATTRACTIVE women...Your inability to distinguish the two means I'm going to have trouble communicating with you. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if what I say confuses you.
LaM: "Yep, and it sounds a lil' bit too much like "only guys who are very successful will bang quality chicks, the rest can suck it".
ReplyDeleteNo. What I'm saying is quality women are have many options...if YOU had many options wouldn't you go with the best one?
Alek Novy: "It's funny, eagle's post managed to be BOTH misogynistic AND misandric at the same. It's quite a feat.
ReplyDeleteThe slut-shaming part sounded like it was written by a 1850's ultra-religious man. And the ending of the post might have as well been written by a man-hating Marcotte-type feminist.
I mean seriously, the way he worded that "you losers can't get laid, stop whining losers if you're not good enough for hotties" could have been written by a pop-feminist blogger, word-for-word.
No, you're funny. You're funny because you can't even concede of the idea that you can fuck a woman the same night without her CONSCIOUSLY wanting to do it. It is possible to get laid ALMOST every night given you can have the undivided attention of a woman for 30 minutes. EVEN if she has "cockblocks", she will remove the "cockblocks" for you.
I'm not shaming ANYBODY. A woman who fucks a man on the same night ISN'T a slut...I've fucked many women on the same night WHO WEREN'T sluts. The difference you ask? All the women I fucked on the same night wanted to fuck ME and ONLY ME...NOT anyone that showed up as Roosh put it...get it right.
The last part in the quote...suggests you believe women CONTROL their choice of mates for a sexual relationship. If you believe this, then you are wrong.
Women CHOOSE, but men control who they CHOOSE....So, ultimately men are the CHOOSERS.
A normal woman with an ugly face will find it extremely hard to get with a successful man...and even if she did, the chances he isn't cheating on her are slimmer than if the woman had been attractive.
The truth is, women on average are more "reactionary" than men. Notice how it is the woman that puts more effort on her appearance (clothes, jewellery, manicures, pedicures, hairstyles, hundreds times larger range of skin care products, anti-aging creams etc).
A woman has to look good, because she doesn't really have anything else to offer. That's because women DON'T NEED to offer anything else. All a woman requires, is that she looks good and does what you tell her.
Men need to do a lot, lot more. Because we are the head of the relationship. The dominant one, the stable one, the strong one, the decisive one etc, etc ,etc.
The more control a woman has the less happy she is. However, this is subconscious. There is MAJOR conflict among women with feminist ideals, conscientiously she wants control, while subconsciously she is submissive and wants to be dominated.
However, the subconscious is STRONGER than the conscious...so she (however feminist she is) will ALWAYS respond to a DOMINANT man (and I don't mean dominant in a retard sense).
A strong dominant man in everything he does (notice such a man is GUARANTEED to be successful) is to a woman what a hot sexy something with perky breasts, firm ass and feminine face is to a man.
In fact the affect is twice as strong with women is this circumstance as women have less self-control than men. Believe me I have seen it first hand.
I'd just like to point out that in Roosh's article, "20 Reasons I Don't Want to Live in America Anymore," Lithuania 5 is LA-based actress Carly Pope from Vancouver, Canada.
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