Wednesday, April 1, 2015

The Open Thread: April 2015

Since I get a relatively high number of comments that are tangential to the articles, I'd like to try to move those parts of the conversation to the monthly 'Open Thread'.

In short, it you think anything you're going to write is "off topic" to the current post, but still related to pickup, women, gender politics and the other topics I discuss on this blog, then please leave a comment to the most recent Open Thread, such like this one. Just post below.

Thank you.

97 comments:

  1. I think that it is great that Aaron Sleazy brings light to potential or actual PUA scams and ripoffs such as expensive boot camps that don't provide much value for your money, that the systems do not deliver what they promise etc. But I am curious to know if the guys on this forum feel that there are or might be any individual teachings or components of the methods that PUAs actually teach that might be of value even if it is lets say 99% rubbish and 1% truth? And by truth I am not necessarily referring to "Creating Instant Attraction" by what you say just if there are any thing that might be considered as "good" or "reliable" to newbies in terms of maybe keeping the existing Attraction/Interest going? I noticed on an old blog that the Push-Pull technique is mentioned positively (at least it seems to work on cats :])
    (http://aaronsleazy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=698)
    And in Minimal Game I do remember Sleazy mentioning that he says to a girl 'lets get out of here' at some points and to me this reminds me of a chapter in the book "The Game" where you are advised to Isolate the target to minimize her mental resistance to escalation in public or in front of her friends. Don't get me wrong I don't think that most of the ridiculous stuff mentioned in Neil Strauss book such as performing Magic Tricks if I remember correctly will work. Maybe I don't really understand the true purpose behind the advice in Minimal Game myself but I brought these two examples of what I might see as possible overlaps in some minor areas. Feel free to let me know if I am totally off the mark so to speak.

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    1. All you need (apart from taking care of your body & style/fashion) are ballz and a willing woman. Without her interest nothing at all is gonna happen. Women choose the men they wish to use for whatever purpose. As long as you don't talk utterly stupid shit she's gonna be fine with whatever babble you spit out, as long as you refrain from overly challenging her intellectually :D

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    2. What a great comment Marco. On sluthate, there's a guy that said this lol,

      "WOmen do very much "shit-test" men they are attracted to - In fact, getting a shit test is PROOF she is becoming attracted to you cause girls simply do not go around shit-test guys they dont see as sexual threats."

      Shit tests and LMR is a joke. I'm not a huge bar guy, but I can't recall anytime when a chick came back to my place where she started playing really hard to get. As Aaron said, she usually can't wait to get fucked when she gets back to your place, why did she show leave with you to begin with? Like some chick spent a bunch of time getting dolled up so she could start "shit testing" a guy she's attracted to once back at his place lol. PUA's really live in a different world than the majority of NORMAL guys!

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    3. "Women choose the men they wish to use for whatever purpose." Word, Marco!

      "as long as you refrain from overly challenging her intellectually :D"

      Unfortunatly this can happen rather quickly given how dull most women (even the ones in academia) are.

      Aaron suggests educated and intelligent men both in "minimal game" and in "club game" purposefully make themselves sound a little more stupid then they are by avoiding a too sophisticated language (something along those lines at least).

      I may sound a bit like a butthurt bitter looser that is full of himslef here, but I think my inteligence and my rather sophisticated language (at least in german, my english is rather clumsy) fucked things up for me quite often in the past.
      (Mind you, I don't consider myself particullary inteligent, I made an IQ test as a kid and the resluts were avaerage, but you really don't need much inteligence and education to make the average young german female of today feel uncomfortable either. :)

      On the other hand, that I dressed generic and sometimes even like a pedophile grandpa and had a too average (even chubby) and unremarkable physique and outfit in general; i.e. did not work on my fundamentals certainly also played a huge role in my lousy sucess rate ;)

      Brent

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    4. @ Mitchel & Brent: THanks for the kudos, gents! I’m sorry to say, but most of my words were not my own and I dislike gracing myself with borrowed plumes.
      Well, the succint „ballz & a willing woman“ is a quote from a German blog post by Massa Sleazy. ;) The „interest“ bit is a paraphrase from CLUB GAME. The „women choose the men“-bit is from a German TV show from the 80s (saw it on youtube) in which Italian film star Bud Spencer (Carlo Pedersoli) while answering a banale question from the host utters this gem of wisdom. The „intellectual challenging“-bit is a paraphrase on some Sleazy-bits of „deliberately dumbing URself down“. So you see, by utilizing other people’s nuggets of knowledge you can make urself look quite knowledgeable. *LOL* But honestly, I think reducing seemingly complex matters into snappy formulas is a great thing, and I live by them. Sleazy of all guys has done that in his books. (Sleaze, maybe there’s a way to activate footnotes in this wordpress thingie, so I won’t come across as „Theodor zu Guttenberg 2.0“!? ;P)

      As far as "intellectual challenges" are concerned… a great way to have girls get lost is to talk with them about mostly cognitive shit (which I'm actually interested in), e.g. philosophy, logic, why men are the superior gender or – something I've lately come to really find interesting! – nuclear physics, i. e. the differences in construction & operation between pressurized water reactors and light-water reactors. Man, I could talk about this for hours (and I’m NOT a physicist btw.)! ;) Since those are areas to which women can basically contribute a total of zero, no woman is interested in such stuff, so it’s a great way to gradually show her that she might be out of place.

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  2. Push/pull is just "stuff you say", and unless you say something really offensive/weird what you say isn't really important. What matters is that you
    - look good
    - show that you want her with body language, tone of voice, touching her arms, hair etc.

    Saying "Let's get out of here" is not "game", it's just something everybody who meets a girl in a public place has to say sooner or later because you can't fuck her in the club/café/street where everybody is watching. It's been like that since the medieval age and the only place where it doesn't apply is at a swinger party.

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    1. ... and because in 99,9% of all situations the chick is NOT gonna say that to you, cuz she's inherently lazy, so you need to say & do something along those lines.

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    2. I think push-pull is as simple as:

      "Don't always push, give her space (breathing room) to show interest back too"

      That's it. No magical "attraction creating" stuff... just letting her do her part.

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    3. @Marco: Sometimes I feel, that most women -the lazy cowardly passive-agressive weaklings that they are- don't even deserve to get laid or even to get male attention.

      This is not to say that I am in any position to actually deny them sex ;)

      Brent

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    4. @ Brent: well some few women actually are cool and contribute their share, with them it's a piece of cake. But they as well "will not seduce themselves for you" (another Sleazy quote).
      The realization of women being the parasites of man/men might help in getting one's head around the sad fact, that picking-up women purely for sex in the long run just isn't worth it.

      Overall I'd say it's important to realize, that women – being the intellectually & physically weaker and overall less "driven" sex and the sex, which profits from parasitically exploiting male resources – will never be able to "break free" from their perceived boundaries (i. e. desiring to actually embody male roles), without a severe loss to that very parasitic business model: the loss of men, of children and of family (family being their most worthwhile and comfortable form of living, albeit not the sexually most fulfilling ;). Thus the consequences for women are: social isolation, embitterment, living a wasted life, nagging & drama behavior, meaningless "fights" against men and their "evil patriarchy" and more of that same shit… i. e. feminism.

      No matter what she looks like or what her "interests" appear to be, the whole meaning and objective of their entire life and existence, her biological calling, is reproduction, is: pregnancy. Nothing less, but also nothing more. (this is basically Schopenhauer)

      So as long as women don't learn to love and cherish men for being men and not for the profit they could extricate from them, and to put this into practice while they are physically desirable, there's not gonna be a massive change. (this is a paraphrase from Esther Vilar)

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    5. @Marco:

      "No matter what she looks like or what her "interests" appear to be, the whole meaning and objective of their entire life and existence, her biological calling, is reproduction, is: pregnancy. Nothing less, but also nothing more."

      Word Marco/Arthur! :)

      I can imagine that the female body is "programmed" to get preagnant at her early twenties (or maybe even eralier) and if no preagnancy occures, her system (neuro chemistry etc.) gets fuck up and she starts developing issues etc.

      It's just a little theory of mine, I have 0 proof and might babble complete nonsense here, but it is something I would not be the least suprised to hear/read in the news on day. (I would only be surprised that such a non-pc peace of news actually got broadcasted ;)

      "So as long as women don't learn to love and cherish men for being men and not for the profit they could extricate from them, and to put this into practice while they are physically desirable, there's not gonna be a massive change." Word Marco/Esther!
      Let's better not hold our breath ;)

      Brent

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  3. I think a lot of guys will find these interesting:

    http://imgur.com/r/fatlogic/Oah4WVz

    http://imgur.com/r/fatlogic/mxdenCy

    The first one I did initially see on Futrelle's site. I'm a little puzzled as to what to think of Futrelle. I don't like how he bashes "Black Pill" or Sluthate. He seems like a poster on "Bash the scene" to be honest. Some of his PUA bashing has had me falling over I've been laughing so hard. I don't know much about AVfM, but he obviously has a hate on for Elam.

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  4. http://www.reddit.com/r/DeadBedrooms/comments/30l3xh/perspective_from_a_ll_f/
    This woman is disgusted her husband wants to have sex with her more than once a month.
    Actual quote from her, describing how she feels about her marital duty to her husband: "They aren't needs. They are perks of being In a relationship with a woman. but it can't be expected, you have to compromise."

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    1. A true gem! ;)

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    2. Maybe I'm a sociopath or a narcissist but it REALLY makes me feel happy to see that people have a bad life (especially because 99% of people brag about their imaginary wonderful life). It makes me laugh really. And it makes me feel superior to them.

      Thanks for listening (reading).

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  5. 5 ways rubbing one off to your favorite porn star may actually improve your "game"....

    http://www.returnofkings.com/60174/four-ways-porn-might-not-be-bad-for-your-game

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  6. I was just looking through an old email account and noticed an email by Paul Janka in my junk folder. I don't remember ever signing up for his newsletters. I did subscribe to Savoy and David D. at one point though.

    Anyways, Janka is now affiliated with Andy Yosha lol? Look at this crap,

    https://www.stickynotehack.com/#a_aid=attractionformula12345nyc&a_bid=693131ca

    What a load of garbage! Yosha is preying on the weakest of men.

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    1. When such creepy affiliation emails from PUA-turned-into-lifecoaching weirdos start coming in you can really tell how fucked up and how desperate the must be, in order to act out mutual support like this.

      One of the creepiest mails I found inside of my spam folder was an email from German "leader" in PUA, Maximilan Pütz, praising DJ Fuji (!!!) and recommending his latest, most "secret" "seminars". My first thought was: "Fuji? Isn't this guy dead of mummified already?"

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    2. OMG, just read this "stickynotes" B.S. - it's so funny: once you've read a few of these copywriting sites, with every new site you encounter, after 10 seconds of looking at them you can tell how this shit is structured and where it will lead you to. It's always the same, mediocre shit (and basically proves Th. Adorno's theories about modern consumerist society ;).

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    3. Haha, they're so easy to spot Marco. A couple of red flag warnings are things like this,

      "Wow, I can't believe I'm actually releasing this product. You may have to hire a bodyguard you'll have so many new female admirers."

      "This new technique makes ANY woman want you within 8 seconds"

      "Act fast. There's only 200 copies left" (A week later there's still "only" 200 copies left :P)

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    4. Oh yeah, and there are even more set recurring elements of this stupid charade!
      One cardinal element is usually some character addressing you personally and referring in a long and winding monologue about how he had been failing with chix in the past and how it had almost entirely wrecked him and that there was nobody around, who could have halped him with this. Oh, he felt sooo miserable. Then, at one point (the "turning point"!) he took it upon himself to embark on a "heroic journey" to "figure this out once and for all", or "to get this part of my life handled", because even thouhg he had succeeded in other areas of life, without success with women his entire life would be worthless. (Yeah right.) … this aspect is basically a ridicolous parody on the topic of the quest of the mythical hero or the search for the Holy Grail / Golden Fleece / Sorcerer's Stone, etc. …

      Then – after having found and dug out the holy grail by means of laborious research and testing – he tells you about all the amazing feats he was able to accomplish through the application of this massively effective "technology" of his. And how more and more friends and even strangers desperately wanted to know what it was, that enabled him to fuck all those amaaaazing chix in their ass, immediately after just going onto two dates with them. So – even though he was very reluctant initially – he finally did get convinced to release this amaaaazing product/ebook/collection of 20 DVDs – but of course only for a brief timespan, since it's so effective, it's almost toxic and shouldn't get into the wrong hands!! That's why there are only "2000 copies" available. Hahaha ;)

      Then at the end of such sales scams you're gonna find a detailed list of absurd bullet-points containing paraphrases of all the important takeaways of this product, like "on pag. 57 you will find the magic mindset that will make your success rate go through the roof" or "on pag.112 I will reveal the three magic words that will make every blonde's pussy wet" and "on pag. 213 I will impart to you the key to a women's soul" and so on, and on, and on…

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    5. I laughed so much when I saw that when quitting the page. A pop-up opened with this text :

      "* * * WAIT! * * *

      Test the Sticky Note "hack" out for yourself — RISK FREE — for just $1!

      Just $1!

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

      Click ‘Stay on this Page’ to try this hack for $1..."

      Sounds like he's begging for change like a bum. Seriously ? If people actually bought your product, you wouldn't have to beg us to do it, Daygame.

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  7. OK, this is a nice example for a spoof on "affirmative action". It beautiful publishing design as well Unfortunately the spoof will only work for German readers, sorry to say: "Vaginalquoten"

    http://imgbox.com/acpTGacq

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    1. @Marco: I have to admit I like this rather harsh word "Qotze", which -to tell the non german speaking readers- is a portmanteau of "Quote", the german word for -suprise- quota and "Votze", the german word for cunt/pussy, and reffers to a woman that has gotten her job/promotion etc. due to affermative action. (Maybe "qunt" would be the English equivalent ;)

      This spoof is really fucking good! For a few seconds I could not belive what I was seeing, it just looked so real. But then the text of the bootom of the page gave it away :)

      Brent

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    2. The design of this cover page looks admiringly polished and convincing. Only at a second glace does one actually ge the full joke. ;)

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  8. I was wondering guy's opinion on this,

    http://sluthate.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=75983

    It appears as though it's definitely this Candice chick on Tinder. I wonder how you can find out for sure if it's actually PUA Beckster's gf? Also, hard to say for sure who is actually having the conversation with her? If it's true, it's hilarious, and Beckster may need to tighten his "game" a bit :P

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  9. Speaking of the german peace of mainstram news BS called "Der Spiegel":

    Look what I found here:

    http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/mutprobe-interview-mit-bascha-mika-ueber-das-aelterwerden-von-frauen-a-954191.html

    This is an interview with Bascha Mika, a German feminist granma, who wrote a book about how society discriminates against elderly women, because it deprives them of the attention/admiration etc. they gotten so used to during her eralier years...I guess...?!?!

    My favorite part of the interview (very roughfly translated by me into english:)

    "It is not due to our biology, that you far more often see an elderly man mating a young woman than vice versa."

    (Gemran original: "Es ist keine Frage der Biologie, dass die Paarung ältere Frau und junger Mann so selten vorkommt, während es umgekehrt gang und gäbe ist.")

    Yeah right! Exactly, granma! xD

    I shit you not, gents, I shit you not!

    Brent

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    1. I know this Bascha Mika lament quite well. The fact that guys want to get with younger girls explains why older women complain that they are literally invisible.

      She did all those interviews one year ago in promotion of her new ageing-feminist-lamentation-book "Mutprobe" (i. e. "test of courage"). Don't ask what her book is about in detail, cuz I couldn't care less. During that period she switched her employer from being editor-in-chief of one stupid German newspaper to another.

      As far as sexual attraction is concerned, most women starting at 40 will rarely get a guy interested in them, whom they'd readily accept and after age 50 they will most likely never gonna see another dick in their life again.

      Of course, such affluent "modern" women can always fall back on female sex tourism, e.g. in Jamaica or Indonesia, where they could employ the services of strong, muscular masculine dudes, whom they'd instantly shame-attack and emasculate, if they lived in their European homecountries:

      http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/5220abc678c90a2d1200015e

      Intrigueing thing about this kind of female sex-tourism – again– is, that it's not considered shameful and shabby (as with men), but instead just another step of female "liberation" and "self-actualization". Female victim mentality at work again. But when men are travelling to Thailand to fuck cute women over there, of course those men are all filthy pigs…

      Fun detail: many women in such prostitution arrangements still need to have their massive solipsistic/marcisstic egos stroked, so the servicing men will of course tell them how beautiful and wonderful and special they are and how they'd love to have a steady relationship with their Western fairytale princess. The women in turn will "fall in love head to toe" and actually believe (or want to belive) this shit and hope for a common future together with those guys and they will give them money and finance them and shit. This is a great way for formely colonialized people to scam the exploiters of their past, btw. ;)
      It's called "bezness" and you can have a huuuga laugh by surfing the online forums, where such scammed older lonelyhearts congregate to mourn and express their bitterness about those "cruel savages" who didn't fulfill their promises and cheated on them with another older Western woman – and wouldn't even return the thousands of €€ or $$, which those guilleble whales had given them. It's really hilarious!! ;)

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    2. Ah, there's a nice piece on female sex tourism by the filthy Daily Mail:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2401788/Sex-tourism-Meet-middle-aged-middle-class-women-Britains-female-sex-tourists.html

      Quote: One young man told me the white women he had sex with made him feel sick. "They stink, have rough skin and look like old dogs. No wonder they have to pay for a man"

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    3. "It's called "bezness" and you can have a huuuga laugh by surfing the online forums, where such scammed older lonelyhearts congregate to mourn and express their bitterness about those "cruel savages" who didn't fulfill their promises and cheated on them with another older Western woman – and wouldn't even return the thousands of €€ or $$, which those guilleble whales had given them. It's really hilarious!! ;)"

      I bet it is! I will definetly check those out! :D
      Thanks for the hint, Marco!

      'Quote: One young man told me the white women he had sex with made him feel sick. "They stink, have rough skin and look like old dogs. No wonder they have to pay for a man" '

      Jesus Christ! I have to laugh, but at the same time I feel really sorry for those poor (grand)motherfuckers!

      They deserve every cent they get and far more for actually mounting those nasty beasts! Why do I have to think of ancient greek heros slaughtering vile surreal creatures now? ;)

      Brent

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    4. @ Brent: How come you speak/understand German?

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    5. @Marco: I am German. (But of course being German nowadays does not necessarily mean, that you are able to speak (good/correct) German, weissduwieischmein? :)

      You are from Berlin, aren't you? Are we fellow countrymen?

      Brent

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    6. FUCK I AM GOING TO PUKE, EVEN IF THEY FINANCE ME
      NO CHANCE IN HELL I AM COMING CLOSE TO THE WHALE.

      like seriously i was a bit disgusted.
      the women expect from a male prostitute to commit is retarded as fuck.
      guys dont expect female prostitute to be their girlfriends? i mean
      we all know they do it for money and dont give a crap about their "BEZNESS"
      clients.

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    7. @ Lazylife: well, those princesses still want to be seen as princesses - it certainly cannot be their fault, that just because they're well past their prime, they're not sexually desireable any longer, can it? ;) But in all seriousness, there's an old saying about prostitution: you go to whores, yeah, but you'd rather not live together with them - so keep your narcissm and your self-delusions in check

      @ Brent: ich bin zum Teil Deutscher und habe knapp 10 Jahre in Berlin gelebt, kenne die Stadt also gut. War übrigens in 2008 - 2009 viel im Berghain und hätte rein statistisch Aaron dort treffen müssen, bilde mir jedenfalls ein, dass ich ihn dort gesehen habe. ;P Lebe z. Zt. aber nicht mehr in Berlin, sondern im Süden der schönen Republik...

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  10. Look at what I found. An interesting debate on a dieting forum about PUA/attraction studies/ long-term vs short term mating and how PUA is a conflating scam etc...

    It's not exactly seductionmyth, but its an interesting resource.

    http://forums.lylemcdonald.com/showthread.php?t=21026

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    1. This quote frome one of those studies is ABSOLUTE truth from the mountain: "German women like slutty men: 'sociosexuality' (SLUTTINESS) emerged as a relatively powerful predictor of men’s popularity to women, particularly because women largely expressed a long-term mating interest. A possible explanation is that that male sociosexuality indicates a history of successful mating experience or mating skills that are attractive to women."

      This is a great corollary to Esther Vilar's succint phrase, that for women basically "love" means "sex". So whenever you guck a girl well i. e. better than the average chump, she will almost automatically "fall in love with you", because "omg, there's such an incredible connection between us now, like, like.. we are destined to be together, I can feel it" and so on.

      The absurdly fun thing is, that most good and obedient, well-bred German chicks (particularly in the south, where I live) would go out of their way to outwardly deny all sleazy offers to not defy their upbringing, yet secretly yearn for exactly that - and in many cases get terribly frustrated over this quagmire, from theit teens on. It's always the same old story: going for boring, predictable guys as a safe BF-option, while secretly despising their mate at the same time and yearing for good'n dirty ravishing by a competent "asshole" and sometimes (for a moment out of "control") giving into that strong urge. The remains of it is spent reading cheesy "romance novels" (uaaaah...). But there's one cardinal issue with all of this, I never got my head around: how does the female psyche cope with the gargantuan amount of bigotry and self-denial associated with all of this... that's still beyond MY mental capacities...

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  11. Thanks, Alek! This really seems interesting!

    "long-term vs short term mating and how PUA is a conflating scam"

    If those PUA clowns were to acknowledge the difference between long-term and short-term mating their whole business model –around creating short term attraction by (fake) boosting of social status etc. (or what they believe it to be)- would evaporate within mere seconds. But I have the suspicion, that some of them are simply too simple-minded to grasp this difference anyway.

    If I remeber correctly in the past you often talked about this conflaction here in the comment section and how it is one of the core flaws of the PU-doctrine. Very eye-opening!

    Brent

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    1. Their entire business model revolves around two things. All of "pua game/manospherian game" revolves around these two things as well:

      - Bait & switching you with false positives (Aaron calls this "using red herrings")
      - Conflations

      Basically anything to distract you from ever watching the ACTUAL BOTTOM-LINE. (effort invested per pussy gotten)...

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    2. Alek's rants and his participation in discussions are always incredibley valuable resources. I have collected them all and just enjoy reading them once in a while...

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  12. This downright hilarious lol,

    http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-46548.html

    I think users "Easy_C " and "B-Nut " will likely get banned by Roosh. It's funny how many guys bring up "shit tests".

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  13. The Plague DoctorApril 7, 2015 at 9:50 PM

    Looks like Soluchi has been reading up on minimal game, haha.

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  14. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8135653 ugly numbers, but certainly interesting to the manosphere about false rape accusations.

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  15. Don't know if this is some kind of trolling or not, but it wouldn't really surprise me if it happened.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/sex-relationships/dear-coleen-sex-25-men-5509013

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    1. Well it's The Mirror, so who cares anyway? ;)
      Maybe she's one of those chicks? I didn't really count the men, but their number could come close to 25 *LOL*

      => http://www.xvideos.com/video5592100/brunette_beauties_enjoyed_bukkake_orgies
      (warning: graphic sexual content ;)

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  16. This guy was a popular pickup artist for a while and he recently appeared in this article. Seems fishy to me
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3036709/Man-TWO-live-girlfriends-share-child-rearing-date-nights-kingsize-bed-wants-woman-in.html
    I'd love to hear Aaron and Alek discuss this one.

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    1. Another absurd article. Lyons isn't the non-conformist pussy-slayer and no parasite wants to voluntarily share its host with another parasite, ever - unless maybe those two parasites are in a desperate lack of exploitable men (unlikely) or they might have some financial arrangement with "A. Liar/Lyons" going on in the background (more likely)

      Btw. the girl in the brown sweater looks cute, the one in the grey sweater like your typical English dog. My guess on his behalf would be, that hopefully he's fucking the cute one, while paying the dawg to pose lovey-dovey for this intellectual insult. But it also could precisely be the other way around. *LOL*

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    2. What I don't find unlikely is the gist about polyamory in the 2nd half of the article, since such arrangements much better suite the pre-agricultural-hunter&gatherer-core of our personality and true sexual makeup. Even thoug, our post-agricultural, pyramid-structured society isn't the perfect place, to practice such arrangements, if there are folks, who can make it work for them, then it's certainly ok. Another absurd article. Lyons isn't the non-conformist pussy-slayer and no parasite wants to voluntarily share its host with another parasite, ever - unless maybe those two parasites are in a desperate lack of exploitable men (unlikely) or they might have some financial arrangement with "A. Liar/Lyons" going on in the background (more likely)

      Btw. the girl in the brown sweater looks cute, the one in the grey sweater like your typical English dog. My guess on his behalf would be, that hopefully he's fucking the cute one, while paying the dawg to pose lovey-dovey for this intellectual insult. But it also could precisely be the other way around.

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    3. Just because she is not your type, you're not forced to say she is a dog.

      I bet you only fuck top models (probably only your right hand).

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    4. She's a dog, and guys very well have the right to point that out. Or may I remind you about the nice words women like you have for men who don't live up to their normally highly unrealistic standards?

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    5. All you have to focus on is how hard the article is trying to convince you that it isn't bullshit. They used 18 pictures, 14 of which are couple-shots, between at least 2 paragraphs each, just in case you forgot that he is with TWO oh my god TWO call the police TWO women at once. There isn't this much to talk about one subject. He's in an open relationship with a women that wants substantially more (and other) dick, and he picked up a <5/10 to snog when his main chick is busy getting fucked on his king sized bed. Why not also include all the other men she has an open relationship with in the pictures? He only wants a 3rd girl to get rid of the porker.

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    6. @ Topher: Word! Great breakdown of this "interpersonal arrangement".

      => Let’s mention again that Lyons owns a KINGSIZE BED.

      What I find particularly disturbing about the photo stretch is the niffy reek of p.c.-homestory ambience it gives off. In that sense the dog is a much better cast, than Ms. Russia. The video is equally weird, just watch the girls nonverbal reactions to Adam, as he is talking about his situation at 00:12. The dog is watching his every word while the RUSSIAN cutie is all knowingly smiling. What might that tell us? ;)

      Congrats to the dog for managing to get knocked up by a safely controllable Tommie. Of course she’ll see to it that Adam’s gonna invest his resources (made from scamming other gullible men) exclusively into her and her offspring and not on behalf of the RUSSIAN cutie. (Predetermined breaking point anyone?)

      Apart from that, if I were in a MFF relationship, I’d rather opt NOT to have it in the news.

      => Btw.: Lyons' KINGSIZE BED deserves a final honorary mention.

      Recommended reading for intellectual decontamination after savouring this Daily Mail-piece: ON BULLSHIT by Harry G. Frankfurt. (Available at fine bookstores everywhere)

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    7. Have you seen the signature on the pictures: news dog(!) media? :D
      (Very daft humor, I know, but I nonetheless wanted this out in the open ;)

      Kidding aside: I agree, that Adam has nothing to bragg about.

      What's the use in having a second GF, if she looks like this? (I'm highly sceptical about this polyamory stuff anyways, especially if there are children involved.)

      LOL: check out the comments below the article: "It's all fun and games until they both get PMS at the same time."

      Brent

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    8. On a final note (as for my series of comments on this Lyons issue): I do take offence at Lyon abusing the garrison cap of the grand Russian Black sea fleet as object of spoof, though.

      http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/13/10/278456CC00000578-0-image-m-16_1428917101320.jpg

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    9. BTW, Adam Lyons apparently had a quite successful PR career before going into PUA. This was leveraged for getting access to clubs and events where he already had done his social grind so to speak.

      To his gullible students it must have looked like magic, but it is much more of a "successful guy on his home turf" situation where women know about him beforehand.

      What's peddled to his customers is a story zero to hero story where he lies about being a janitor(lol) before getting into pua.

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  17. Sleazy, what's your take on this:

    "The body of infield evidence collected by 15 years of PUA is far more reliable and valid than anything social science produced on seduction" - Krauser

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    1. The fact that Krauser doesn't get widely ridiculed for a statement like this shows you how gullible the average PUA follower is.

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    2. Or that next to nobody takes his utterances really seriously.

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    3. Is Krauser holding the cue cards for this? VERY strange!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB96o9ev61s

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    4. It's like the conspiracy theory dipshits that spout "the fact that no one has debunked my alien bigfoot spiderman pyramid theory yet proves it's true!!!"

      The fact that an expert doesn't have the time or patience to root through all the bullshit people make up doesn't give an argument any weight.

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    5. I've always found Krauser's accent to be rather disturbing. Now I'm not particularly familiar with the UK slangs, but it seems to me that doesn't come from money, does he?

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    6. From having studied at two of the better universities in the UK, I can assure you that you will have to look for a very, very long time to find someone in that environment who speaks with an accent similar to Krauser's. I never met anyone who spoke like that there, to be honest.

      Krauser says that he works or worked in banking. Given his accent you can rest assured that we're talking about some lowly role in a commercial bank, or some kind of operations/support role. Of course, the connotation of "working in banking in London" is that you're a baller and have to rely on the advice of the FT's "How to spend it" because otherwise the burden of your financial wealth would just be too unbearable. I don't think anyone of his gullible followers ever realised that some things don't quite add up regarding Krauser's purported history.

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    7. In Billy Wilder's masterpiece movie "Witness for the Prosecution" Marlene Dietrich plays a second role, where she talks in a "cockney accent". Whether her rendition is faithful to tha rolemodel I cannot judge, but honestly Krauser's voice tone surely reminds me of Dietrich's alter ego-character from that very film. ;)

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  18. WOW! Looks like Lovesystems is really on the decline,

    https://twitter.com/LS_Fader/status/580917374179659776

    What is Savoy's next move?

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    1. … is Fader still ALIVE? ;)

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    2. ... and I did participate way back in 2008 in an entirely sold-out Munich "bootcamp" - tempora mutantur, how times are changin'!

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  19. If only our female fellow citizens were not so full of shit as they sadly (for the most part) are:

    http://www.yourtango.com/experts/deborrah-cooper/why-women-ignore-men

    My "favorite" parts:

    "What men also don't understand is that women have "check you out" skills that are comparable to lightspeed. Unlike men, we don't have to stare for 5 minutes to get the whole picture. A woman can glance at you and in less than 3 seconds assess your confidence, body build and fitness, attitude, hygiene, marital status, intelligence, health, physical prowess, social skills, financial status, and thus, her interest."

    "Accept that women's worlds do not revolve around men and no woman owes you her attention, time, conversation or even a smile. If you get a woman's attention, feel blessed. Single women are not here to make every guy feel better about himself, only the man she deems worthy"

    "If you get a woman's attention, feel blessed." Blessed! BLESSED! JESUS CHRIST!

    Brent

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    1. In reality the situation is reversed, women need more men then men need women

      aka the entitlement root, men have like only sex.

      and this lightning assesment is bullshit, they look for little 1-2 sec because they are
      scared to look for more or worry to ruin their social image, or are busy or something.

      this is all part of the deception to keep image "women dont need to do anything and u are blessed if they pay attention"
      should realize then men dont have need to give anything to the owmen and should
      feel bless that her deception worked .
      PARASITES DONT NEED TO DO ANYTHING? bullshit they wont have host otherwise.
      its backwards, if women dont get male attention their entitlment go to the toilet.
      if guy dont get attention he has porn. women have porn too, but there is no porn for entitlment.

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    2. "What men also don't understand is that women have "check you out" skills that are comparable to lightspeed. Unlike men, we don't have to stare for 5 minutes to get the whole picture. A woman can glance at you and in less than 3 seconds assess your confidence, body build and fitness, attitude, hygiene, marital status, intelligence, health, physical prowess, social skills, financial status, and thus, her interest."

      Did she ever heard of any USA serial killer? They approached their victims with fake charm (and even some were deemed "handsome") and lured them to their homes or some secluded place to murder them. I guess those girls didn't receive the memo, because they didn't used their oh-so-hyped magical ninth sense.

      "Accept that women's worlds do not revolve around men and no woman owes you her attention, time, conversation or even a smile. If you get a woman's attention, feel blessed. Single women are not here to make every guy feel better about himself, only the man she deems worthy"

      Oh yeshhh! They spend tons of bucks in clothing and shoes, spend hours and effort in covering their faces in layers and layers of make-up, hours in a beauty parlor to get a sexy hairstyle, spending money in sexy underwear, FOR NO FUCKING REASON.

      SO-GODDAMN-LEGIT. We got told, mates, we got told.

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    3. Another bizarre piece of writing by a deluded woman. Women for the most part are either unable or unwilling to be at par with men with regards to earning power and wealth creation for society. Today they could of course but it's not happening and the milliins spent on affirmative action haven't convinced women to choose occupations like software engineer, sewage worker or car mechanic instrad of work-simulating secretary. Women do rely on men for comfortable survival, men are the predominant creators of civilization and culture and women require male sperm for procreation. There is no entirely "independent" life-arrangement for women, it's simply impossible and anyone suggesting the opposite to females is dangerously appealing to bloated female self-esteem.

      Also, if unavoidable, it's easier for men to live without women or with a substantial lack of female affection, simply because this is the predominant state for most men during their entire life anyway. Women control and limit access to sex and even may deny themselves sexual gratification for this to work in order to effect fake scarcity of pussy, thus rising the price they could make provider-men pay for it.

      The tragic aspect in it is that, many women come to understand their essential need for men usually at an age, when their beauty, youthfulness & fertility are massively waning, e.g. around reaching 40 and onwards. THEN they try to make up for this loss by becoming more approachable, less capricious and so on, but nobody really wants them at that age any more. Aaron wrote a great article about this phenomenon titled "The biggest dating mistake women make". Their bad...

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    4. Just an addendum… and on a more constructive note:

      - The uppish passage about women and the decoding of their various instances of eye-contact is actually quite a good description of the significance of such female overextertions. For all the "dorks" who "just can't get a clue" to save their life this could be an eye-opening (no pun intended) read. The only caveat to it would be, that for those guys who are a bit bratty (like me) the time to wait for EC #3 to finally occur is a waste of time. Hitting up women w/o strong EC preliminary and – in case of getting snobbish feedback – toasting them verbally for a few minutes before moving on, IS fun no matter what Ms. Cooper might be thinking.

      - The female author really believes the dangerous notion women like to tell to each other about the "affirmative YES"-signals that women would give out in case of sexual interest. Whenever I talk to women about this, they are very open about the fact, that they do actively flirt with guys and give unmistakeably overt sexual signals to the hunks, they might be interested in. Having them perform such "signals" right therein front of me or observing them "in field" in signal-worthy sitiuations of course displays a highly different story. Their signals are weak or vague at best, most of the time impossible to discern from inactivity or even mild disinterest. For men, who heightened their awareness to female subcommunications such signals might be easier to decipher but Joe Average is totally lost in this regard. Of course Master Sleazy already wrote about this as well, I guess his text on this matter is titled "On the ambiguous signals of women" ;)

      As Alek Novy put it once: the idea, that (non-pro) women above the age of 12 give out overt sexual signals in social gatherings is ridicolus and comes stems largely form movies or commercials.

      - the choice of the headline image for this text is WEIRD: a woman staring at a pile of greenbacks like a predator on a prey: http://static.yourtango.com/cdn/farfuture/yYV0XXWXsDyZE8xr8OPJNSHXe15Dc0it_peetPPyVSo/mtime:1427903612/sites/default/files/styles/listing_big/public/image_blog/woman-money.jpg
      Did the female mastermind author of this article choose this image on purpose? Well if she wants to deliver the subconcious message, that women are very much interested in male money, then this picture is a sure hit. I'd love to suggest womewhat of a facetios alternative: http://i.imgbox.com/abm2Lh6V.jpg

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    5. There is a lot of wisdom in those two comments of yours, Marco!

      I'm still busy at this late hour, so I'm just going to focus on one of the many good points you raised:

      "As Alek Novy put it once: the idea, that (non-pro) women above the age of 12 give out overt sexual signals in social gatherings is ridicolus and comes stems largely form movies or commercials."

      If it was not for Alek Novy I don't know how depressed I might be today. For pretty much all my teens and eraly to mid twenties I felt, lets say, sexually undesirable and suspected beeing inferior and defunct, doomed basically. He teached me, that my problem was not, that 99,9999999% of the female population considered me "unworthy", but that I could not spot those females, that consider me attractive (still my main problem to this day, although I improved). His rants in the comments section hammered this meassage in my poor PUA-BS riddled brain.

      LOL, I resently met up with a chick I met via online dating. I pick her up at the train station and we walk to a cafe nearby. My mood basically hits rock bottom because of her closed up body language and her beeing quite, she seems disapointed. She looks better than in her profile, I feel uglier in real life, so this voices in my head tell me: "She does not like what she sees in real life, although ypur profile got her intrested. Let's end this as soon as possible and then head home alone. Sould not have made the effort." etc.

      Long story short, I nonetheless tried to escalate, she accepts all my advances, but that's how far her signaling her intressted goes (at least while we are still in the cafe). Accepting me holding her hand, accepting me resting my hand on her knee, than on the inner side of her tight, her pressing her legs together while my hand is still resting on the inside of her tight, me kissing her cheek, caressing her ass and so on.
      Her body language still seems pretty closed up to me during the escalation.

      No intense eye connntact, no big leaning towards me, not much smileing, no hair flipping, she's not talking very much, although beeing female ;) etc.

      I still had quite passionate sex with her 60 minuets after we met.
      So much for "enthusiastic consent", dear Fem-Tards!

      "Of course Master Sleazy already wrote about this as well, I guess his text on this matter is titled "On the ambiguous signals of women" ;)"

      Club Game drives this point of female weak and ambigious signals home very well and also includes a chapter (or two?) about how to recognisze attracted/intrested females in the Club. A job very well done, Meister Sleazy!
      Please write your books when I'm still in my teens next time ;)

      Brent

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    6. If it was not for Alek Novy I don't know how depressed I might be today. For pretty much all my teens and eraly to mid twenties I felt, lets say, sexually undesirable and suspected beeing inferior and defunct, doomed basically. He teached me, that my problem was not, that 99,9999999% of the female population considered me "unworthy", but that I could not spot those females, that consider me attractive (still my main problem to this day, although I improved). His rants in the comments section hammered this meassage in my poor PUA-BS riddled brain.

      This is why I consider that line of messaging to be a form of mental abuse and GASLIGHTING.

      Feminists and other bitter whiny women have been using it forever (including the troll who got banned on here and BlackPill's)...

      The message is (the same people make both point A and point B)

      A) "If a woman has ANY interest in you, she will make it absolutely clear and unmistakable, if a woman isn't showing 100% clear unambigious interest, she DOESN'T LIKE YOU"

      B) "If no women like you, it means you are defunct, rotten or evil in some way, you are an utter waste of DNA, you must be screwed up in some way"

      Combine A & B.... and what do you get? You see that

      1) even the worst scum of men have dates and lays and women crushing on them [criminals, wife-beaters, drug-sellers, abusive jerks, super-selfish and mentally screwed up guys]

      2) you were told that if women don't show interest in you (which remember comes in 100% unmistakable unambigious and super-overt ways)... THEN

      3) You must be even more messed up than all these messed up guys who DO have dates.

      It's basic logic. So either the messaging is wrong and false (women don't actually show super-duper overt unmistakable signs of interest), or you really are the worst waste of DNA ever to be born, since even the scummiest of scummy men have dates, lays etc...

      No intense eye connntact, no big leaning towards me, not much smileing, no hair flipping, she's not talking very much, although beeing female ;) etc.

      I still had quite passionate sex with her 60 minuets after we met.
      So much for "enthusiastic consent", dear Fem-Tards!


      As you know, this is impossible according to femi-tards. So you probably dreamt your experience. Your experiences aren't valid.

      Please write your books when I'm still in my teens next time ;)

      That's such a huge pain-point for me. Why didn't Sleazy come around 10 years earlier... I feel jealous of guys today. While you can still get scammed, at least there's an alternative.

      (I feel old saying this) - back in our day there were no alternatives, you had to pick between the feminist/mainstream narrative or the pua narrative. That was it.

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    7. "This is why I consider that line of messaging to be a form of mental abuse and GASLIGHTING." The term gaslighting fits perfectly in this context!

      "So you probably dreamt your experience. Your experiences aren't valid."

      I must have date raped her with a dozen invisible guns I keept floating around her head all the time via my psychic patriachal powers. Why else should she have slept with me, if she OBVIOUSLY was not intrested at all? ;)

      Thank you for batteling these (fem-)tards and trolls! You might not convince them, but I and I'm sure also many other readers get a lot out of this debates.

      It might just be a sophisticated way of procrastinating for you, but you nonetheless probably changed quite a few lives of young men for the better! Kudos to you!

      Brent

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  20. Has anyone here ever been to a (steamy and smoky) night club while wearing contact lenses?
    Can you recommend it? What do you have to consider while wearing them in a club? Has anyone some tricks and hacks regarding problems that might occur?

    I would be very grateful for some short feedback on this matter, since my glasses may hold me back a bit:

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2857-contact-lenses-boost-sexual-success.html#.VTPLDxeTJGQ

    I think Aaron recommends in MG to go from glasses to contacts, too.

    Cheers,

    Brent

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  21. http://www.spitemywife.com/

    Here is site detailing the exploits of cheating wives on their partners as told by their partners.

    Some good stories and video evidence. Some revenge videos too

    Very funny, but also very sad for the guys in question.

    Shows how some women can be right bitches and lack loyalty.

    Think it is fairly new, so not much on there, but I am sure this is going to be big, unless feminist come in and stop it!

    cani

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  22. This is by FAR one of the funniest thing I've ever seen

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTopDJcx7C4

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  23. Mitchel, this is not supposed to be satire, is it?

    Mind you in the coloumn with the video suggestions one video of this guy appears, that is called "how to be realistic" or something! :D

    And of course you can't rate this video and you can't leave a comment, too!
    Probably because of all the haters ;)

    Look at these two gems (WARNIG: do not watch with a full bladder):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL20pAUrgR0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-e7vOSMpDc

    I think Aaron writes in debunking that quite a few of Bad Boys students ended beeing beaten up.
    I'm racking my briain why this might be the case ;)

    Brent

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    1. Brent, I don't think he's joking. I know it's hard to take a guy serious that's wearing sunglasses indoors.

      The best part is the 5:45 min mark and on. I fell over I was laughing so hard.

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    2. "I know it's hard to take a guy serious that's wearing sunglasses indoors."

      STOP PLAYa HATING YOU FUCK!!11!
      He is emulating the king of ELFA-Mails himself, Mr. Vin Diesel aka. Riddic, in Pitch Black to attract virgin HB11s! Dontcha know?!?! ;)

      No, but seriously, this one was hilarious! Guy sits there... LIKE A BOSS! :D
      Thanks for sharing!

      What's next? Breathe like an alpha? Fart like an alpha? Waste your time with corny pua videos on youtube that poison your mind, steal your time and get you exactly nowhwere... like an alpha? :D

      Brent

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  24. I've been reading your material for quite some time now Aaron and I must say, KEEP IT UP!

    I understand you and the other commentators here have busy lives but I swear this place is like a reality check and a breathe of fresh air from all the lies spewed across the PUA and "Manosphere."

    While the PUAs are bad enough as it is, I'm starting to come a conclusion that the "manosphere" itself is perpetuating lies to its audience. There is a lot of talk about the need to "perform well", "dominance cues", and "status displays" that get thrown around a lot. When in truth, attraction is much more simple than these people make it out to be.

    I came across this book 2 days ago off another blog and I'm pretty sure you and your readership will find it very interesting. While it has its own faults, the primary message of the book is fucking gold! Chapter 2 is a fucking wake-up call.

    Give it a read:
    Pandora's Box - The Men's Sexual Revolution
    http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=03540465121329501441

    An excerpt:

    "There are 2 very distinct kinds of “attraction” a woman has for a man. One is based on material needs, the other is based on
    sexual attraction. Romantic interest is purely sexual. Practical interest is the typical mercenary mindset of a woman
    seeking a marriage partner. Real, heartfelt interest is usually reserved for the guys who also happen to be hot enough
    in her eyes for a short term fling. If a girl thinks you're cute, she typically gives off subtle signals quite quickly.
    Romantic interest carries a subtle sexual undertone right from the outset.
    ...
    Women are very pragmatic about relationships, by and large. They are strongly pressured to conform to a certain mode of
    behavior. They constantly have to fight their innermost feelings and often underestimate how important a strong physical
    attraction toward a mate really is for a stable, fulfilling long term partnership. They realize they have to make sacrifices, but
    many of them still pine for a man they are truly attracted to. Many women have to deal with a lot of internalized frustration
    as that feeling never goes away. No matter how much she might try to convince herself intellectually that her current mate
    is a great catch, those feelings have their way of creeping back in. It's a sad story for both parties involved."

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  25. Hey James,

    you might to want to check this out:

    https://matingselfishness.wordpress.com/2013/07/05/attraction-sex-vs-transactional-sex/

    I quote the first two paragraphes:

    "Male and female sexuality is different. A man will only have sex with a woman to whom he is physically attracted. She must at least turn him on enough to give him an erection. A woman will also have sex with a guy who turns her on; call this attraction-based sex. However, unlike a man she also has the capacity to have transactional sex, which is sex in exchange for some benefit from the man. Things women will exchange for sex include: money, status, listening to her shit, doing things for her, buying her gifts, etc.

    The two modes are not mutually exclusive. Most sex that takes place is some mixture of attraction-based and transactional. With escorts it’s typically purely transactional, though an escort may sometimes be attracted to her client, it’s a rare bonus for her. Fucking a stranger in the bathroom within 10 minutes of meeting her is purely attraction-based. An actress who fucks a producer to get a role – transactional. Fuck buddy sex – mostly attraction based."


    "It's a sad story for both parties involved." Especially the male party ;)

    This is why Aaron suggests to fuck a woman rather soon, see how you match in bed and if there is some comonality between the two of you.

    Never whine and dine some random chick for months without ever getting ass!

    There is nothing wrong with paying women for sex and company (and IMHO for most men it's almost impossible to get some pussy without at least some kind of (minor) finacial investment), but if you want to do so, better see a hooker! It's way more economic and efficient!

    http://lifestylejourney.blogspot.de/2011/10/paying-for-sex-is-more-alpha-than-using.html

    "You are only spending money, as opposed to money plus time plus effort, or time plus effort at the very least."

    Value your time, your energy, your money and yourself!

    Just a little rant after mid night ;)

    Brent

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    1. About 'wine and dine a woman', I have a story:
      A friend of mine and I were friends of a girl in college. He knew her before than me. She also knew another friend of ours.
      My 2 other friends made out with her once, they were drunk. It seems that my friend and her were somewhat attracted but he never dared to do something with her then.
      I was also attracted to her but I was too yellow to do something, even when she showed attaction to me too.
      9 months ago, my friend and her started to date. Only after 4 months she accepted to be his girlfriend. They hadn't sex then, probably they have it now.
      But what striked me is that she was also horny for me too! I started to lose weight since a couple of years. In december, I met then by chance. I already had new clothing that fitted my figure. When she saw me, her eyes literally popped from her face, hugged me enthusiasticaly, and even hold and caress my hand (with my friend/his boyfriend there). And the following days, she was totally stalking me in Facebook.
      The point is: my friend was dating her, dining her, doing all kind of things with her, but she was horny for me just because I lost some weight and started to be more careful with my style. That really struck me. He really is into her, and she would have fuck with me just because I became more attractive.

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    2. Hi Anon,

      I can relate to this very well.

      The girlfriend/fiancé of a (not too close) friend of mine used to often ogle me "that way" (I at least guess it was "that way") and always giggle at my lame ass jokes even when the rest of the people listing to them would just roll their eyes.

      She did so even at their weeding party! 0_o

      Honestly, after the very day he first showed up with this chick in our clique our friendship slowly but surely went down the toilet. Out of our clique I was the only one not to be invited to his birthday/house parties etc.

      And I was the last one to be invited to his wedding. I would not have gone there if it weren’t for the rest of the clique encouraging me to do so (it was probably their intervention, that made him finally invite me in the first place).

      Two years have past since this weeding party and I never saw him again.
      Needless to say I could not care less and nowadays I would not accept that kind of half assed invitation.

      Mind you, the rest of the gang has not seen him for more than a year as well, since he apparently is now pussy whipped and his wife got into some beef with another chick of the gang (his (former) best friend’s girlfriend by the way), causing a rift.

      Given the disrespectful way she treated him as his fiancé, I bet one of my testicles she will take him to the cleaners within the next 5 years or so.

      I suspected all the way she only married him, because his family is rather wealthy and she only got a degree in one of these exotic and unimportant subjects and only worked odd jobs.
      Now she has him socially isolated (most of his friends are now alienated, his parents now live abroad),i.e. emotionally depended and basically can anal rape him whenever she pleases.

      Thank good I’m a fucking late bloomer! It gave me the time and peace of mind to reflect on this type of shit! Who knows, if my attempts at meeting women in my teens/early twenties had been more successful I might now find myself in a similar position like my former friend!

      By the way, Aaron, you did it! I’m going to block your blog now! The discussions are too interesting and I can’t resist to take part in them although I seriously have to get some urgent work done within the next few days: Shame on you! ;)

      Brent

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  26. Good text.

    I am convinced those feelings are a large reason why nowadays a lot of women eventually file for a divorce, because they cannot deny their feelings of disdain towards their mate any longer. I wager that this is not a new phenomenon, but has been part of the female psychological make-up ever since. Back then they quenched their frustration by reading pulp romance novels or getting treated for "hysteria" by doctors (which is how the vibrator got invented btw.). The only difference is that today women CAN get divorced without being stigmatized, that they CAN earn their own money and that they are encouraged to show this disdain openly, should they wish to do so. Only, as parasites they don't really profit from any of these achievements.

    Of course the reason for this is rooted the parasitic character of female existence. Women rarely "cherish" men for their pure being, but are mainly interested in what men can do for them, i. e. as providers of sex, semen or money/security and/or as emotional tampon. If they cannot get anything of that value from you, you are merely worthless to them and invisible and they will not give you anything of value in exchange. Many a woman is being tormented by that nagging fear of ascertaining whether the current host she's managed to get hold of is really "a good deal", whether he stays that way and whether het emotional grip on him (i.e. "romantic love") is still tight, so he won't leave them even when she's providing miserable sex to him, thereby cutting her off from his valuable "services". Even today women for the most part are NOT able to survive on their own and get anything of real substance done. (I'd say that's a big reason why prostitution still exist, since it benefits those women: making comparatively large sums of money with comparatively little skills or investment.) And even if they actually could, they'd rather take the easy way (because it's their female "entitlement") and have a man ("husband") securely provide for them, because that is the core ingredient of their "princess"-fantasies, to have a man "sweep them off their feet", spoil & pamper them, fulfill all their needs and never doubt that arrangement, so that she can ultimately "relaaaax". (This may sound harsh and unfair, but I swear this is only what I've been able to observe time and again and again. I wish it were different, but it just doesn't seem to.)

    Feminism and the encouragement of absurd levels of female entitlement have only exacerbated this detrimental internal impulse.

    I would say, that this effect - together with the negative effects of the modern, "flexible" capitalist economy on heterosexzal pair-bonding - is the main cause for the constant decline in Western birthrates, which is impossible to reverse short or mid term-wise.

    "Neo-liberal" economic premises in concert with prevalent heterosexual misandry are bringing the West down, since the pyramid/ponzi-scheme of capitalist society requires a constant influx of new suckers. Heightened rates of immigration only serve to increase the problem of genetic colonialization though, so there's no viable solution in this direction either.

    This might sound bleak to some, but my very personal opinion is, that "civilization" itself, ever since it got created with the turn to agriculture, has overall been just one big massive failure anyway and never provided the majority of human beings with even the most basic necessities for survival - this seems to be part of its pedigree, so why ever expect it to be the other way around? ;)
    We were actually much better off as foragers (not the least in terms if SEX).

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  27. Just LOL at one of the latest posts on ROK by Troy Francis.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/62042/how-to-game-a-hot-french-girl

    I think anyone who read "Club Game" would agree that Francis left out of the part where his alarm clock went off and he awoke from this dream.

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    1. Hahaha
      The dialogue is faker than Donatella Versace.

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  28. I have no idea whether its fake or real, but interesting nonetheless.

    http://bw.braincy.com/she-thinks-hes-a-nobody-and-rejects-him-shes-up-for-a-surprise-when-she-finds-out-hes-famous/

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    1. Even if it's scripted, it's still nice. ;)

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  29. Roosh is going to be on Dr. Oz,

    http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/dr-oz-faces-notorious-online-fat-shamer-bullying-women-all-over-world

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    1. I've got to say that as slow and dumb as Roosh is in general, I mostly agree with him on his appearance and what he stands for on this episode. There is no personality that will attract me to a 300 lbs woman, and Dr. Oz is definitely saying what he's saying FOR the millions of viewers. His reply that "he's saying this not because he's on the show, but because he beleives that" only enforces Roosh's argument. As in, no shit, why would they hire someone that wasn't 100% a male feminist for that kind of show. Fucking dishonest ape dancing around the fucking subject.

      But I think it's dishonest for Roosh to preface with caring about America's health. Aside from that, they're both completely dishonest with theirselves and need to shut the fuck up in front of these screeching clawing fembeasts. Fucking worried-faced surprised-look bitches who have never heard a negative word against fat people or theirselves without someone else whiteknighting them. gasp gasp gasp. appall. Women who watch TV shows like this are much more convinced by talk than action. You can talk their fat asses into anything, which is what Dr Oz does all day.

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    2. I just saw a quick summary of the episode. As much as I can't stand Roosh, I think Dr. Oz is just as much of a sleaze! You're right, sounds like Oz just said what his viewers wanted to hear.

      Roosh has nothing to help women lose weight on his site, so he's just being a huge asshole. Plus, he's supposedly good at picking up women. Why does he even care? I've NEVER met a guy good with women that talks shit about fat women all the time. They just don't approach them!

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    3. I've NEVER met a guy good with women that talks shit about fat women all the time. They just don't approach them!

      Conversely, super-attractive and popular women are never out there ranting about "creeps and losers". This is something a lot of guys don't seem to get (thanks to the anonymity of the internet).

      The internet created this thing where a generation of guys (that includes me), grew up seeing blogs and stories and forum posts with women whining and ranting about beeing creeped out by guys approaching them in imperfect ways. (and we assumed/projected it was sane, cute girls writing these posts, how little did we know).

      Many of us developed additional fears of flirting and approaching women... What we didn't realize until much later however, is that the women writing that crap were uggo feminists (not the cute hotties we imagined).

      In fact if you do overcome those fears of bothering women, you'll meet a ton of women and find out that its never the hotties whining about being pestered and bothered... It's the wannabe hotties.

      Put another way, it's the female equivalents of roosh who are obsessed with ranting about creeps & losers...

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    4. What an absurd and despicable show. I don't own a TV myself so I didn't know about this show, just took a quick look online. What an utter waste of lifetime and energy to engage in this kind of "discussions" at all. I just can't believe it.

      The women verbally opposing Roosh are beyond help.Just goes on to show that "women" and "facing some hard/harsh truths" just doesn't go together…

      Besides, I find on this show Roosh looked actually somewhat stylish, rather different from what I remember him presenting himself like in his youtube vids…

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    5. OMG, just watched the three "belladonna" girls from the audience opposing Roosh verbally. This is absurdity just on a massive scale. It's so unreal, if this weren't genuinely from a TV show it could be one of the most slick pieces of satire ever filmed.

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    6. "Besides, I find on this show Roosh looked actually somewhat stylish, rather different from what I remember him presenting himself like in his youtube vids"
      A professional production can make miracles.
      And about Dr. Oz, you guys never saw this? Is Paul Janka (when he WAS legit) in questioned by Oz (or I should say the prosecutor?) about seduction. And the way Oz tries to make look Janka as some kind of "hyno-rapist" (you will undestand if you watch the vídeo) is so disgusting and totally un-ethical.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej7f_bdZkUM

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  30. I wonder of the fear of being called a creep is a big thing for guys? Anyone else aside from Novy?

    Of all the things that gave me problems with approaching women, being called a creep or a loser was never one of them. It just wasn't on my radar and wasn't on my consciousness. I don't think I was even aware of the issue.

    Its very interesting for me to hear that this is an issue for guys.

    Maybe guys who are exposed to feminist writing or things like that? I didn't go to college so maybe I was spared that highly feminized and politicized atmosphere.

    Last year I was going out a bit with a guy about 7 years younger than me (I'm 36 - and yes, still go to bars and clubs. All the time.) The idea of being a creep seemed on his mind. He cockblocked me twice by actually asking women I just met and was very touchy with right away - as is my way - if "didn't they find it creepy that I'm touching them". (nothing sexual, just hugs, putting my arm around, hand on shoulder, etc)

    Of course I stopped hanging out with him after that, but the fear of being thought a creep was clearly up there in his mind. Its clearly an issue for him.

    Interestingly, I HAVE been called a creep a few times by women. Largely deserved, I must admit. I was on too much molly and had no sense of boundaries.

    I just have a hard time thinking its a big thing for young guys. I think the sort of guy that is going to develop a fear about being a creep is probably too sensitive anyways and is unlikely to ever be able to approach women without problems. Some professor recently wrote about how much the fear of being called a creep deterred him, but that only proves my point. He admitted he was a very nerdy, very frightened guy. He would have feared women anyways.

    Fear of harsh rejection is quite enough. It doesn't seem to me to make any difference if that harsh rejection comes in the form of being called a creep or loser. Heck, fear of gentle rejection is fear enough.

    Women have always been rejecting men, harshly or nicely, and no guy needed to wait for the internet to see that. Going to school or any social event is enough. I doubt the net made any difference at all.

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