Friday, September 23, 2016

Clubs vs HD Porn

Alek Novy made the following remark on my recent post on the economic struggles of clubs:
I'd say that guys waking up to "pussy being overrated" & "porn is better than most chicks" are a huge factor too. It isn't just that girls dressed slutty to get male attention. But guys also went to clubs so they can see sluttily dressed girls as well. With HD porn that's no longer that special... not worth dressing up, waiting in line for, and paying a fee in order to see it. Remember, most club guys in the history of clubs never got a single lay. (...) Most guys went for the factor of "omg i get to see a slutty-dressed chick in real life". (...)
This makes perfect sense. To me, the only plausible reasons for going to clubs are 1) wanting to get laid and 2) enjoying to hang out in a particular scene. On the other hand, the average dude only dreams of 1), and 2) isn't really a factor for him because he has no particular taste. Instead, a club is a place to consume alcohol and ogle chicks.

The economy being as bad as it is, it is therefore no surprise that dudes rather congregate at home in front of their XBox, emptying a couple of six pack, and if someone wants to rub one out, they'll disappear to the bathroom, enjoying some HD porn on his smartphone. In all seriousness, though, I think it would be rather naive to assume that HD porn has no effect on the dating market. The average woman just can't measure up to what you can access easily online, which partly has to do with many Western women no longer properly taking care of themselves. Side note: fat shaming is part of the culture in Asia, keeping women slim; I have witnessed a few Asian exchange students fattening up considerably in the course of just a few months abroad. They get off the plane being perfectly healthy and slender, yet half a year later they are twice as wide.

But back to the average Joe! Even if Joe is broke, he can probably cough up ten bucks a month for a never-ending stream of HD porn. Heck, he can get half a year of high-quality Internet porn for the cost of a long night out. In a time before HD Internet porn, Joe would have gotten hard for a Six in a tight skirt. I'm talking about the kind of girl that looks a lot better dressed than naked. He won't ever see her naked anyway. Yet, with his HD porn subscription he's got chicks of a quality he'll hardly ever encounter in real life, let alone see naked, coming out the wazoo. We're currently at a point where a girl stands out just by being slim, for crying out loud!

Of course, if you're a chick and want attention, but don't want to put in any work, then take a selfie in which you strike a "skinny arm", give yourself a nice tan on Photoshop and narrow down that waist --- and 'likes' just come flooding in. Bob Bluepill is probably wrecking it for all of us. Before social media he and a few dozen of his clones would fill up a club but don't do much. Nowadays, he's liking the pictures of random women online, hoping that this will somehow get him laid.

I strongly suspect that the number of likes women get may lure them into some kind of absurd thinking process where they measure attractiveness quantitatively. It is well-known that girls compete with other girls with regards to the attention they get from random guys. Now, if Jane gets 50 likes when she is slim, but 60 likes half a year later, after putting on a few pounds --- why shouldn't she think she has gotten even more attractive? She probably knows jack shit about hypothesis testing (do 'likes' measure attractiveness?), randomness (same number of friends, different number of likes), or even percentages (more friends, but fewer likes in relative terms).

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  2. I'd say nowadays it has simply become apparent, that actually serving male sexual needs in the same way that men desire to satisfy women has never been either a prime objective of most women or one of their particular talents. If a man is lucky, deep sexual satisfaction can be a nice side effect, but to women it's never been the core of their biological business model. Add to that the openly poisonous influence of feminism and you have a really ugly situation for men, where this male phantasy not even gets upheld for propaganda purposes - it's being annihilated and that's cold hard reality, though. Instead, the porn phantasy IS only an unrealistic phantasy, but it is just soooo much better (no women would ever enjoy getting cummed inside of her, smile obediently and then fade into the oblivion of black darkness LOL). Unfortunately, we as men need the factor oc "dirty" sexual arousal, in order to willingly engage in pursueing women, to persist in inserting our seed and then having to deal with the often strenuous andnerve-wrecking chore of its long-term consequences. Without this fleeting sexual gratification and the entire world of phantasy associated with it, I'd wager probably no sane man would ever engage in such endeavours at all. So, once the illusion of gratification, validation & presumed gain withers away, the strongest incentives fade away with it. Verily, verily - this world is not without a sense of irony.

    And let's face it, mainstream nightclubs are quite a hostile environment for most average guys (I'd say this is one more invisible evolutionary female filter). With considerable frustration building up rather quickly it's more than understandable that Average Joe soon retreats to the sanctuary of HQ internet porn. Channels serving him actual +18 teen girls getting their first massive ramming by some big dick (e. g. GDP and the likes; the vids also reveal many young girls's sexual ineptitudes) will provide him with more young fuck candy than any club (unless he attended costly teen sex parties, which – as fas as I understand – are accessible for elite members of society only).

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    1. "I'd say nowadays it has simply become apparent, that actually serving male sexual needs in the same way that men desire to satisfy women has never been either a prime objective of most women or one of their particular talents. If a man is lucky, deep sexual satisfaction can be a nice side effect, but to women it's never been the core of their biological business model."

      You are saying women don't love sex?

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    2. No, but I would say that sex itself has a different purpose and function for women than for men.

      As far as I have observed the world around me over the course of time, to most men sex is a precious entity unto itself. Pure sex itself without any binding consequences to it. I. e. a petpetuous "honeymoon"-period is what most men secretely long for and are going after (albeit in vain). Also, the male sex drive in all mammals is far stronger & permanent with the males, than the females. That's another tell.

      For women on the other hand sex seems to be a means to an end, a transitional step or phase to something that would result from it, that would definitely follow up.

      The incentive to surmise, that full sexual satisfaction of males is not the prime intent of females came from my experiences with high class escorts as compared to sex with "regular girls". Escort girls were always much more sexual and "service-oriented" than even those girls from the "real world", whom I absolutely loved to pieces. Of course with escorts it's part of their job as well, but personal inclination definitely helps a lot. Also performing sex for $$$ and with the prospect of a returning customer sereves as big motivation.
      Maybe it's sad to say, but to put it honestly and objectively, the overall sex in terms of raw passion, variety, fun, lightheartedness and kinkyness with such top escorts was at least as good and many times even way better than sex with "Jane Real". I'm saying this fully being aware, that sex in a RL cannot really be compared to sex with escorts, even if you came to know them quite well as a returning customer. The functions of sex are certainly different. Still: the purely objectified comparison in terms of quality and experience does remain.

      And of those HQ escorts I'd estimate, roughly more than 50% were equally as engaged and energized during he deed as I was.

      Now, for a well-paid escort, who doesn't have to fear compromizing her real-life identity and prospects, sex with protection (and all other "safety measures" set in place as well) comes much easier & is far more carefree than it cozld ever be for Jane Real. The escort can only win & gain and won't really lose anything. She also doesn't need to sexually service any schlump but can choose her customers much more freely. The escort can thus let her sexually roam around freely and would even profit it in tangible terms.

      So, if those select women - taking all those factors into account - on a continuous basis are not almost equally as horny and on fire as the male sexual partners, then one could at least suspect, that women in general are not primarily out there to fully sexually satisfy men.

      Thus I'm inclined to say, that men are a) by default far hornier than women and b) far more interested in the pure experience of sex "per se". Men love pure sex itself definitely much more than women.

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  3. In a time before HD Internet porn, Joe would have gotten hard for a Six in a tight skirt

    This ties in with your other post about the skinny-fat epidemic. And "epidemic" is not an exaggeration.

    A lot of guys still fall for the skinny-fat chick who knows how to hide it using clothing tricks.

    I am always surprised when I hang out with less experienced guys... and we spot a skinny-fat-six who's dressed "hot" (as if she were nine)... and these guys start ogling her and commenting like "omg she's so hot"... Many guys still fall for that illusion clothing.

    (By illusion clothing i mean how these chicks know how to accentuate the parts that are skinny/toned, but downplay the not-so-hot parts)

    I think after you've undressed enough women, and seen them the morning after (etc)... you start to develop an x-ray. You see through the makeup and illusion inducing clothing.

    Now, in the past, you had to lay a lot of chicks to develop this x-ray and see through "acting-a-nine". I think that porn/manosphere culture is accelerating this trend.

    Now you don't need (as much) experience with chicks to start seeing through the illusion.

    manosphere culture, wtf alek you on about?

    While the manosphere itself is a fringe culture that involves 0.001% of all men on the planet... It has had its influence on the wider trolling/internet memes cultures... which in turn has had an impact on the wider culture.

    Kind of like feminism has had an impact on wider culture despite only directly influecing a small percentage of women. Young guys today are exposed to a ton of "redpillish" memes if they follow any male-humour page on fb. A lot of comedians are inserting these kinds of references, it's spreading through out the culture...

    I'm saying the overall culture has gotten less "vagina worshipping" overall. That's what i meant by the overall "guys are waking up"... Today's 20s guys are due to a combination of factors a lot less impressed by women in the real world.

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  4. To me, the only plausible reasons for going to clubs are 1) wanting to get laid and 2) enjoying to hang out in a particular scene. On the other hand, the average dude only dreams of 1), and 2) isn't really a factor for him because he has no particular taste.

    That's a great point! I don't know if there's research on this (breaking down the closures by type of club), but if I were to guess... I would guess the "scene" clubs are doing better, or at least closing down at a slower rate.

    That's my intuitive hunch. I'm guessing most of the downfall is coming from generalized clubs for people with no particular taste. I'd guess the clubs catering to a crowd/scene are doing better... since most of their clientele went there to enjoy the scene/music, not to ogle chicks.

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    1. Awesome feedback & analysis by Novy-san!!!!!

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