Monday, February 1, 2010

The Main Problem with the Commercial Pickup Community

It is not news that I have an overly critical stance towards the commercial pickup/seduction community. Too many guys completely lack skills, and this includes some of the bigger names.

Some days ago I received an email newsletter from Perry Marshall, one of the internet marketing "gurus". He gives rather sensible advice, but his most recent email clearly indicated what is wrong with the whole "making money on the web" thing. His core message was, in a newsletter with the title "Wise Words for the Rank Beginner":
 Find a Land of the Blind where you can be King. 
I personally find this statement sickening. There are so many self-proclaimed experts out there that it is almost enough to not take anything at all seriously you find on the internet, no matter the field or niche. Similar advice was given in one of the chapters in Timothy Ferriss' "The Four Hour Work Week", which can be roughly paraphrased by "become an expert by proclaiming to be one. Read three books in your field, summarize them on your website, give a talk at a university, and use this to get media coverage."

In the seduction industry, there are way too many people that couldn't get laid with the literal "thousand bucks in a whore house", but never-mind that, as long as the sales copy is catchy. No matter if those people make money or not, the current situation is a lose-lose for all parties involved. Thankfully, in the seduction community more and more people seem to get fed up.

About a year and a half ago I made a post on mASF on this "sham industry", in a time when you barely found critical voices. These days, it's not just singular opinions. Recently, an "anti-community" has formed, which gathers on While I perceived it originally as a place of hatred, there are nowadays many critical articles. You might want to check it out, if you find yourself trapped in a state of guru-worshipping. My greater hope, though, is that this community as a whole will evolve.


  1. Check this site for a in-depth analysis of the problems of the community:

  2. Besides of all the criticism, which is absolutely appropriate - one point in the article on really struck me: It seems like nobody actually ever really leaves the scene. That rings true to me. Some guys get married and keep hanging around there, others critisize, but still do it in scene-related media. We're totally doomed. ;-)


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