The Final Word on Indirect Game (Hopefully)

Sometimes people ask me what I think of this and that guy's “method.” If a name gets mentioned a couple of times, and I have some time to kill, I have a look. Thus, I recently spent an hour or so skimming through Roissy and Roosh’s stuff. If you want to know what I think of it: I’m appalled. It amounts to little more than old indirect game presented in a new veneer. Roissy pretends to be an intellectual, while Roosh believes he is a non-conformist. Apart from that, it’s the same old, same old.

“But what is wrong with indirect game, Sleazy?”, I hear some of you speaking in your feeble voices. I’m glad you asked. Here’s a big one: You pretend that the girl is utterly stupid. While there are certainly plenty of not especially intelligent women out there, just as the world has no shortage of stupid guys, women are not so stupid that they don’t see through your facade. Or why do you think that many women quickly shut you down with your “opinion openers”? It’s because they are not attracted to you. If you look like Fabio in his prime, you could walk around telling “knock-knock” jokes, and all women would be in tears, but if you look like Quasimodo, or Vince Kelvin, then women will hardly give you the time of day. This reminds me of a guy on Zan’s Ars Amatoria forum who stated that he had gotten 2 dates out of approaching roughly 1,000 women on the street. (No, no sex.) Seriously, when will some people realize that whatever they are doing is just not working.

Indirect game operates under the premise that you can “create attraction”, and that women are somehow turned off if you indicate sexual interest too early. However, as every man who is successful with women knows, they are surely turned on by it if they are turned on by you. "Creating attraction" is just another red herring. Sure, if you are part of the 1% and flaunt your wealth, then some women will come, but they are then more interested in your money.

To further illustrate my point, let me refer to the world of comedy. In the middle ages, only “fools” were allowed to say the truth, and likewise, nowadays comedians enjoy the same privilege of telling things you couldn’t otherwise propagate through the mainstream media. If you are vaguely familiar with stand-up comedy, you’ve surely come across Chris Rock. One of this most infamous routines is called “Want some dick?” Here’s a YouTube clip:

In a nutshell, the message is that no matter what you say to a woman, she’ll hear “want some dick”? Of course! Why else would you talk to her? Or do you honestly think that your asking a complete stranger for a “female opinion” can hide potential sexual interest on your part? If you now want to contradict, then why don’t you go around and ask women whom you find physically repulsive for their female opinions and or where chocolate mountain is? See!

But I’m not done yet. One of the current prophets of indirect game is “Roosh.” When he’s not busy exploiting his economic advantage as a Westerner in former communist countries, he writes books and sells them at ridiculous prices. One of his more recent one is called Day Bang, and here is a gem from it:

She’s writing something in beautiful cursive on pages that have floral borders. She’s using what seems to be an expensive ballpoint pen. What’s the elderly opener? In this case there are two possibilities. Your instinct may be to ask, “What are you writing?” but remember, that’s personal in nature and not likely to get a warm response. She may think of you as a nosy man trying to gain access to her closet of secrets. The best elderly opener from this situation is, “Excuse me, is that a good pen?” You’ll then inquire about the brand, the color of the ink, its width, and if it’s comfortable to hold for long periods of time, all with a serious expression on your face. Almost pretend you’re a pen salesman on the first day of the job, doing research in order to eventually sell it to others.

Did you also throw up in your mouth when reading this?

Listen, she’s only interested in talking about inane stuff like that if she finds you attractive. However, you stand a good chance of losing her because she might secretly ask herself what’s wrong with you if you can’t be open about your intentions. No, this doesn’t mean that you should say, “Wanna fuck?”, but that you have no legitimate reason to hide your intention. Well, maybe you are a pussy, so I guess that's one reason. Remember that many of you indirect guys have huge problems turning an interaction sexual? This is a consequence of such pathetic behavior, because if you manage to convince the girl that you have no sexual interest, then she will of course not view you as a potential sexual partner. Do you understand, Neil? Erik? Tyler?

The other big problem with indirect game is that you are only kidding yourself. A common defence is that the woman is not rejecting you. No, she is rejecting your opener (and there is of course nothing wrong with you). No, don’t worry, you don’t have to get in shape, and fix your appearance. The women are only ever rejecting your openers, not you. Everything is fine, keep going! Seriously, do you really believe any of this?

Let me tell you how it really is: Your “opener” is irrelevant. If she finds you unattractive, for whatever reason, then it doesn’t matter what you say to her. No, she’s not rejecting your opener, but the guy who hit on her. Just live with it! I can understand that some people want to protect their fragile egos but, honestly, what’s the point? The women give you valuable feedback, and if your conclusion after approaching 1,000 women and getting laid only once is that the other 999 were only rejecting your “opener”, then maybe you should get your head checked.

I know that common sense is not common in the “community”, and logic is about as highly regarded as in a circle of 50 year old housewives who add scotch to their afternoon tea and get all giddy when they find some “truth” in their horoscopes. But, honestly, don’t you want to grow up? If it makes you happy, then keep living in your la-la land where all the women only reject your “opener”, and keep rubbing one out to Internet porn. Alternatively, you could grow the fuck up and stop hiding behind lame excuses and rationalizations. Do you know who else acts like this? Shallow, insecure women.