An anonymous commenter chimed in, ridiculing that position by referring to the ever-rising interest in sex and porn to further illustrate the absurdity of that argument. Here's the graph, taken straight from Google Trends. It shows interest in the keywords "sex" and "porn" over time, and look at the success story "porn" has become:
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| "sex" (red) vs. "porn" (blue) |
My perception is that it has become more common that men openly question societal institutions. Let's be honest: there aren't so many women around who are worth spending time with, let alone date or marry. Given contemporary obesity rates and absurd levels of entitlement, which are present in many Western women, I can perfectly well understand when someone says that he doesn't want to participate in that kind of game. The MGTOW community is growing, and Western society itself does a pretty good job discouraging men from getting involved with women. There are risks everywhere. Heck, in some countries you would get into serious trouble if, say, you doubted that the kid of your wife is yours, did a paternity test (that then confirms that it's some other man's kid). In France, you'll risk a fine of 15,000 Euros and a year in prison, and would still have to pay alimony.
So, is it any surprise that some men prefer porn over sex, as the chart above seems to imply?
I know, I know, I'm making quite a few assumptions here, but if you look at the general tendencies, you'd have to admit that it's no longer unusual that men not only don't marry, but refuse to enter any kind of relationship with women. We were discussing this and related issues in a thread on the forum some time ago, in "The End of Dating". Johnny wrote:
I feel another reason which is causing this is that the entertainment value benchmark which a "date" has to meet has gone up to a ridiculous amount. There is HD porn at your fingertips, online tv shows and movies, you have a super duper highly customized playlist of music on your phone, an exact schedule of upcoming events and classes and whatever, great food can arrive at your doorstep if need be, you can read your favorite books on your kindle etc. I mean after all this for you to spend a lot of time in a girl - she better be really special.I couldn't agree more. Sure, there are a few very special girls out there (I'm married to one), but there is no reason your life can't be complete without a girl, and it seems that more and more men are realizing that. It can take time to find someone to spend time or your life with, and that's a choice you shouldn't take lightly. In general, though, I think that your typical average girl has very little to offer. It seems that this is an insight more and more men are making, which might explain the data of Google Trends above.
I mean after all this for you to spend a lot of time in a girl - she better be really special.
ReplyDeleteThis is nonsense in this context, because the fact is that most MGTOW types wouldn't need much more than the possibility of sex to spend much time with a girl. They know that they aren't getting any (or if they do, it's for ulterior motives) so they preempt the failure by making up a bunch of reasons not to start in the first place.
That's not to say that the MGTOW movement doesn't have a list of very reasonable and understandable grievances against the current cultural atmosphere and the way women are behaving. But you have to look deeper to find the core issue: MGTOW types are being taken advantage of by women in a climate that supports injustice against them. Fighting back or opting out is a perfectly reasonable and understandable response to that, but the real question is why them? Why are they being taken advantage of and not others? There are men that are happily coupled or otherwise enjoy favourable attention from women. Not all men are being shit on.
The crux of the problem is that MGTOW types can't adapt. They don't know how to deal with women in an environment where women have power and freedom. There are ways, but it takes some understanding and effort that seems to be beyond the capacity of some of these guys.
Which is not to shit on them. Their ideal environment is a patriarchal one and we just don't have that anymore. They are being disenfranchised and I respect that don't want to put up with it. If they manage to push the culture war in a way that benefits men I would benefit as well. There are reasons to be grateful for their efforts but at the same time there are other ways to deal with the situation.
What is your reason for assuming that guys go MGTOW because they don't get laid? I know that feminists love to proclaim that the MGTOW movement is "one blow job away from collapsing", which is utter nonsense. Of course I can now drop the obligatory George Clooney reference, but let's just be real for a moment: most women don't offer all that much, and the ability in the bedroom of some Jane Doe is certainly nothing to write home about. Sure, women love to fantasize about their sex appeal, but often it's entirely imaginary.
DeleteSociety offers you a deal, and in some societies the deal is an exceedingly bad one, like in the US. Thus, declining to be part of it is a perfectly rational (!) decision. Heck, I didn't bother about women when I was younger, and it wasn't because I wasn't interested in them. I just noticed that I found them utterly boring. In fact, I was appalled to realize that women generally seemed to think that the mere prospect of sex would be enough to make men jump through hoops. Sadly, plenty of men have no spine and think they have to settle for the first chick that takes them. On the other hand, there are men with options who either go through a lot of women and just use them for sex, or who have more important things to do in their life.
Also, what "power and freedom" do women have? Men have built the world they operate in. In some fields, anti-male sentiment is ripe, but that's a topic for another post. Also, you don't necessarily need to have a patriarchal environment, but I don't think it's too much to ask for women to bring something to the table as well. Yet, look at the spending patterns of Western women, and you can only puke. Many seem to think that at some point some chump will pay for their debts. Women are at the absolute top when it comes to frivolous spending. Very rarely have I met a woman who said she's living below her means, trying to save up for some goal, or just to build a nest egg. However, among men this position is so common that you can almost take it for granted.
Look, like I said, I can sympathize with the MGTOW view, they are all good reasons. but the reasons they purport to go MGTOW are not the reasons they really do. MGTOWs fall into two camps: 1. The guy who got divorce raped and is so destitute and broken by it that his outlook has been skewed towards paranoia, and 2. The young guy (or older guy who's ghosted through life and now finds an outlet to rationalize his failure) who doesn't have the skills to deal with women on their terms, and doesn't think he can adapt. Those guys choose MGTOW as a preemptive bail-out to avoid failing, but they couch it in terms of choosing not to deal with women because it's so risky and the environment is so anti-male. It is risky, and the environment is somewhat anti-male in general, but there are plenty of guys interacting with women successfully and getting a lot out of it. You don't have to marry the first eatpraylove slut you meet out of the gate and set yourself up for divorce rape.
DeleteThe real problem most men have, especially guys who say stuff like women are no good anymore, they're too shallow, facebook, iphones, they can't hold a conversation about the weather, etc... is that women have the power to decide what they want to do with a guy, at least between the teenage years and about age 30. You basically have to submit to their whims and their timetable and because most guys don't have a lot of options obviously they are at a disadvantage.
Sure, a lot of women are shallow, can't cook, won't clean, aren't prepared to keep a home. Those are good reasons not to marry one like that. But at the same time most guys aren't going through 20 or 30 women that do want them and rejecting them out of exasperation because they fall short. Most guys aren't even in the running, because they don't put themselves out there or if they do, it's ineptly.
MGTOW would be fine if it was something guys took up after sampling the field and rejecting options they found lacking, and then realized there are no good options. But that's not really the case. Most of those guys don't even really try, they go from failure to MGTOW and wrap themselves in a cloak cynicism.
So, how do you know what their reasons are? I know plenty of attractive guys (in real life) who oppose any kind of commitment, and for a variety of reasons. Calling them "failures' is a bit of a stretch, buddy. Also, if you get "divorce raped", you have a perfectly legitimate reason to be highly critical of the "system". Calling them paranoid is absurd. They've had first-hand experience of the atrocities the "system" is capable of.
DeleteLet me ask you: are you, by any chance, a woman? I have heard your line of reasoning quite a few times when I told girls I'm not interested in a relationship (but of course they could visit me in irregular intervals). I think that women have a much harder time looking beyond their own perspective To them it would be a failure to have no partner, and their worst fear is to grow old alone. There are no role models of old, attractive women. There is absolutely no female George Clooney or Sean Connery out there. On the other hand, you can be an older guy with plenty of options, and I have met real life examples of that too.
Also, your phantasy about the sexual powers of women is just that --- a phantasy. If there are no hot guys coming on to them, there isn't so much they can do, and only a small percentage of women is really attractive. I have never submitted to a woman and made clear to them what my expectations were. I didn't experience any resistance.
This talk of "no old, attractive women" reminds me of a scene from the old movie "First Wives Club" where one of the main characters says "There are three ages of women in Hollywood; Babe, District Attorney, and Driving Miss Daisy."
DeleteWell, aside from Judi Dench I can't think of many older female Hollywood stars. And she's stopped appearing in James Bond films as well. Stockard Channing and Glenn Close come close, but the former had no children, and neither are very near Dench's age.
It sounds immature to hear the manosphere talk about their needs for "younger, hotter, tighter" women, but the truth is men can't start a non-adopted non-surrogate-reproduction family with a woman past menopause. And it gets harder the more she is over 30 years of age, sometimes even earlier. I've also read that starting young helps to form "nostalgia goggles" for men; as they age along with their wife, they are more apt to see her as when they were younger rather than getting hung up on the wrinkles.
Good points! I think that marrying young and growing old together is the only viable way to form a healthy family. Having a collective history as a couple is hugely important, and it helps reinforcing the relationship. This also puts older women at an extreme disadvantage, and this refers to the point you were making: if you, as a man, are selective about whom you enter a relationship with, you'll at first assess the girl, and you'll probably be very critical of one who is past 30, clingy and needy. Even worse is that those women often feel that they have to get a guy asap, which only makes them more unattractive. I would not at all recommend that guys marry a woman older than them, but let's not go into that topic right now.
Delete"you'll probably be very critical of one who is past 30, clingy and needy"
DeleteI am definitely among the most non judgmental people I know, but even I can't help but feel fairly critical of women who are close to thirty and still single. It's not that women around 30 or slightly older can't be attractive - it's just that most times, their behavioral issues are too much to bear.
I also can't get the reason how, given how important a relationship seems to be to a lot of these girls, these girls continue to ride the dating cycle for so long.
I will turn 26 this year, and I have probably only played the dating game seriously for about a year or so now, but I am already tired of it. In the past few weeks, I have been heavily contemplating settling down into a serious relationship. I will probably start a few threads on relationships in the forum soon. Sleazy - really would like to hear your opinions on it.
I think part of the reason many girls are single for so long is that they just can't keep a guy. It's one thing to spread your legs for some dude, but any desirable man has options, and normally they are aware of it. Of course, there are also the Carrie Bradshaw wannabes out there who think that eventually their Mr Big will descend from the heavens, fall right down on his knees, pull a $100k Cartier ring out of his pocket, and beg for her to marry her.
DeleteI'm looking forward to those posts of yours. I'll definitely chime in.
A.S.
Delete"It's one thing to spread your legs for some dude, but any desirable man has options, and normally they are aware of it. Of course, there are also the Carrie Bradshaw wannabes out there who think that eventually their Mr Big will descend from the heavens, fall right down on his knees, pull a $100k Cartier ring out of his pocket, and beg for her to marry her."
Isn't this part of the reason why it's a rallying cry among the MGTOWs and several MRAs that women only go for "alpha" or the "top" men, which is why first-world women are in their eyes to be completely avoided, or that it's unfair that average men get completely ignored?
I suppose seeing women fawning over unattainable "Mr. Bigs" is part of what made the "alpha-imitating PUA" movement, then. But I like how this blog's "Truth and Reconciliation" nature doesn't heap abuse on either sex, unlike many manosphere or anti-manosphere blogs around. The more of these convenient fictions are debunked around here, the better.
From my point of view men have evolved quite a bit in the last years and women didn't - and to be even more honest I think women regressed. I know this sounds just like the reverse argument of some feminists but let me state my case:
ReplyDelete1. I sometimes chat up strangers - men and women alike - for example on the train. And whereas most men have the required social skills to hold a polite "the weather is nice"-conversation over say half an hour many women don't. Even worse some women cannot go 5 minutes without checking their smartphone/tablet/sometimes both and FACEBOOOOOOOOK for status updates and attention whoring. For women, me thinks, the illusion of social contact and social skills - wrongly assuming: social skills = talking (= babbling with people you know) - has replaced real social contact and social skills.
And, if I think back, most social groups I belonged to men did the organizing and planing whereas women were, sorry, drag-alongs. And most of the interesting conversations I had were with men on topics they were experts in or topics in which we shared knowledge.
2. The contemporary laws and rules would require more initiation of women in the company area, because men nowadays take huge risks initiating there. Yet, no changes there either. Just quiet, uncomfortable stares or low-cut jeans, tangas and the occasional "Oops, I droped something. I better bend over so you can see the sun rise."
-> For some finer points on general female laziness please refer to Alek Novy.
3. Women still dropping out of work as fast as humanely possible. "Sorry, I can't work, I have a small kid at home. It is only 16 and therefore needs my constant attention." (And if you know anything about kids you know a 16-year-old wants nothing to do with his parents. Which leads to some serious questions.)
That's my point sketched out. Maybe I write more later. Or not. :)
DId you have the chance to attend a conference or lecture recently? It seems that the average woman acts like some dizzy 14-year old, paying hardly any attention to anything but their smartphone. Of course, facebook provides a constant stream of validation, so why bother with the real world?
DeleteI also found that most women have really poor social skills. What I notice most often is that they can't withstand the slightest amount of pressure, and this applies to basically all situations. Get them aroused in the club, and suddenly their facade cracks and they turn into little girls (of course, you'd be tempted to view this as positive), but if something goes badly at work, the same happens. However, instead of looking at you with big eyes, fantasizing how you'd fuck them, they get a nervous breakdown and cry. How many men have you seen crying at work? Or if you know them privately, they might just throw a fit if they think something should go according to their will. Overall, I'm not at all impressed with the level of emotional maturity of women.
Speaking of that topic: there are significant negative effects of letting women exert power. For instance, I've heard so many HR horror stories that I'd have a hard time to single out the most absurd one. Women thrashing the CVs of employees who have a "bad star sign" almost looks rational in context. Speaking of job interviews, I can't help but think whether women derive some satisfaction from inviting so many applicants, and then enjoying turning them down. I certainly got the impression that they behave not unlike in dating. For instance, have you ever NOT replied to a job offer or an invitation to a second round interview or whatever? It's hilarious. In one case, I had the HR chick email me six or seven times. Just like some women (in dating) aren't used to men turning them down, some women (in HR) don't seem to realize that the choice is actually mutual.
Oh, that all referred just your first point. I'll leave it at that for now.
"DId you have the chance to attend a conference or lecture recently? It seems that the average woman acts like some dizzy 14-year old, paying hardly any attention to anything but their smartphone."
DeleteThis part of female culture annoys the fuck out of me. Why, dear women, are you there if you aren't paying attention?
"Of course, facebook provides a constant stream of validation, so why bother with the real world?"
That is actually a good question. Why bother with the real thing, if you can imagine yourself to be quite the socialite because you have 450 "friends" on facebook and under every bikini picture you post 100 men - the morons they are - post: "U'r so sexy!"
But I also noticed that a lot of beautiful women quit facebook after recognizing the "game" for what it is.
"Get them aroused in the club, and suddenly their facade cracks and they turn into little girls (of course, you'd be tempted to view this as positive) (...)."
I do view this as something positive. Outside of work.
To expand on my point earlier:
It happens so often that I think now this paired with inappropiate touching, showing her goods and rubbing against you is normal female sexuality. No matter what women or feminists tell you. And the other way, romance etc., is reserved for the "losers" who aren't generating the tingle.
"However, instead of looking at you with big eyes, fantasizing how you'd fuck them, they get a nervous breakdown and cry. How many men have you seen crying at work?"
Which incidently turns more often than not into a sorcerer (not: witch) hunt to find someone (= a man) who is "guilty".
"Overall, I'm not at all impressed with the level of emotional maturity of women."
A notion we pretty obviously share. :)
"For instance, have you ever NOT replied to a job offer or an invitation to a second round interview or whatever?"
Yep. With similar effects. :D
But they are paid to get the best for the job - which is more often than not me. So I don't hold their effort against them. I file this under: They do their job.
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To further expand 1. and 2.:
Women judge the hell out of people. Especially if they don't look good or belong to a social minority. I had one coworker, who rubbed her ass against my cock a few minutes before, confess to me that she fears some of her coworkers. Fears! What. The. Fuck. Look, future ONS, there's no faster way to drive me away than the "I'm a helpless victim. Please protect me!"-card.
It's pretty standard to greet each other if you, for example, work at the same company. I noticed that with men I can count on that. But with women this basic human politeness is rare.
And to sum up point 1 - 3/tl;dr:
I was promised emancipated women. Now I want them. Where are they?
Aaron Sleazy:
Delete"Get them aroused in the club, and suddenly their facade cracks and they turn into little girls (of course, you'd be tempted to view this as positive), but if something goes badly at work, the same happens. However, instead of looking at you with big eyes, fantasizing how you'd fuck them, they get a nervous breakdown and cry."
What exactly is it you're referring to here? Are you referring to the PUA practice of Negging? How does that relate to inappropriate behaviour by women at clubs?
Aaron Sleazy:
"Did you have the chance to attend a conference or lecture recently? It seems that the average woman acts like some dizzy 14-year old, paying hardly any attention to anything but their smartphone. Of course, facebook provides a constant stream of validation, so why bother with the real world?"
Is this related to what the manosphere calls a "pussy pass"? The "ancillary benefits" provided by men who think their compliments will win them a chance at sex with her makes an attractive woman disconnected with how much effort is needed to honestly make her own way in the world?
I was reading a blog recently where the author was discussing female immaturity. A lot of men in the comments, including Mark Manson, got really upset. It's amazing how controversial that idea is with American men.
ReplyDeletehttp://therawness.com/the-myth-of-female-maturity-part-1/
Nice find! I think "white knighting" is deeply ingrained in men who have no spine.
DeleteAaron,
ReplyDeleteI didn't get laid in 6 years of PUA. After reviewing your blog and forum, I'm now seeing a pretty attractive older women (28). However, I can't stand the emotional neediness. I'd almost rather be single again.
Even though she's creative, can sing and craft things and has good taste in music, I find myself getting really annoyed with the constant txting and worrying. She presses so hard for commitment and I keep saying, 'no, I'm too inexperienced to want to settle and want to have kids with a young woman when I'm older'.
Also, it really pissed me off when she said I was chauvinistic for not agreeing with her that women made better soldiers and musicians and were proven smarter than men...wtf?!?
Now that I think of it, I'd rather just fap it to porn and be done with it than have the burden of a relationship. How can I end it in a non-emotional and peaceful manner? She's already told me she loves me and has cried over the phone once..
Late twenties are quite okay. She seems to be insecure, but because it's a personality trait. I bet she was just like that in her previous 15 relationships. When I'm hinting at older women pushing for marriage/kids etc., pulling off the condom and trying to have unprotected sex with you, or asking you to move in after a week or two. I'm talking about basket cases who try to get into a relationship with basically any man who would do, and the older they get, the lower their demands will be. Your girl surely still has plenty of options, and her biological clock isn't ticking loudly yet. She certainly does show the kind of behavior that is typical for single, older women, though.
DeleteShe's a whacko, though, and has incredibly low self-esteem. Otherwise, she wouldn't tolerate you telling her that you want to have kids with a younger woman in the future. Your tolerance for stupidity seems to be much higher than mine. When I hear stuff like that, I can't help but laugh. Logic doesn't help that much, and they only get pissed off if you asked them, for instance, why all the wars in history weren't fought by women if they were superior to men, why there are so few notable female musicians, and why there is nary a famous female philosopher or mathematician.
I assume you have not moved in with her. If you've got stuff at her place, collect it beforehand. Don't think that you'll be able to end it peacefully. Of course, you could be as mature as plenty of women are and simply stop returning her calls, be bitchy to no end and hope that she breaks up with you, or fuck around, hoping that this would make her break up with you. That's probably not what you are looking for. So meet her (not at your place), talk to her, tell her that you don't want to commit, or are not ready, or --- if you're opting for a more drastic approach --- that she is not what you are looking for, and then you leave. She'll probably cry, or try to make a scene. I don't want to sound too cynical, but she'll probably have a new guy within a week or so. First she'll fuck some random guy because she wants to feel desired again, then she wakes up next to him and thinks that he wouldn't be so bad, and she'll try to pull off the exact same routine she tried pulling off with you, including forcing the guy to commit even if he's barely interested and so on and so forth.
This exact thing happened with me. A girl I started seeing pushed me really hard for a relationship, commitment etc. within like 1 week after we started seeing each other. She even did the whole I am not that kind of a girl thing, only have sex in committed relationships etc. I dumped her because of all her neediness.
DeleteTo feel desirable again, lo and behold, she goes and does exactly the things she says she never does! (I found out because the guy she fucked just happened to be an acquaintance)
Earlier on when I started dating girls, I was just not the kind of person who set boundaries very aggressively with girls, because well, a part of me expected that a lot of girls would just behave like normal people who natural have reasonable boundaries and don't do random shit.
DeleteAfter realizing it doesn't work that way with women, I have recently started having periodic boundary setting talks with them, or just calling them out clearly on shit that I won't tolerate etc.
It is amazing that women respond so horribly to you calling them out on crappy behavior. One girl started crying when I told her I hate mixed signals, so whatever you want with me, please be clear and upfront about it.
"Of course, you could be as mature as plenty of women are and simply stop returning her calls ...."
DeleteThis is irony, isn't it? I don't consider this behaviour mature at all. Though, this is pretty common.
Yes, this was meant to be ironic. To me it seemed this was perfectly clear from the context.
DeleteI really appreciate the feedback, Aaron and Johnny. I'm actually beginning to realize I'm somewhat co-dependent and really hate letting people down, but I'm becoming more and more motivated by self-interest. It does make me feel better knowing that she'll no doubt move on soon enough.
DeletePerhaps you could do a post on the ideal type of woman to enter a LTR with sometime? I'm wondering what some of the common red flags are as well as the must haves etc. in choosing a girlfriend or wife. What qualities made you want to settle down and marry?
That'd be a good post.
There is no "ideal type" of women, but there are certainly red flags. I've made note of your suggestion. Don't hold your breath yet, though.
DeleteB., you poor bastard. I experienced same thing few times, and I don't know something is bad with me or I am making terrible choices, but they always turn needy after sex. There is a lot of talk amongst women about partnership, but it seems that you are only a good partner when you do everything as they want you too. Fucking annoying.
Delete"I was chauvinistic for not agreeing with her that women made better soldiers and musicians"
DeleteWomen sounds completely insane. She is like a big spoiled child denying reality. Female soliders can't even throw granades a safe distance. Also there has never been a major female composer and all the best instrument players are men.
I would run from the bitch as fast as I could.
When you wrote:
ReplyDelete"A relatively prominent position in the MGTOW scene is to choose voluntarily celibacy, or simply pay for sex, instead of following some made-up social conventions. You know, nonsense like that the wedding ring is supposed to cost the equivalent of half your annual income, or that fat women have a "great personality" and all that jazz."
This makes me wonder what other social conventions you take issue with.
There are quite a few. For instance, what about taking out loans to buy for things you can't afford, like expensive cars or a house?
DeleteI was referring more to your "fat women have a great personality" bit. Sure, the Disney movie fantasy from Beauty and the Beast is that "the best people can see the inner beauty," or if you prefer something more modern, women who are fat on the outside look like Gwyneth Paltrow on the inside (seen in Jack Black's Shallow Hal film).
DeleteThe sad fact of the matter is that looks do form an undeniable cornerstone of attraction (particularly when it has the possibility of becoming sexual). You don't see people lining up outside hospitals to marry severe burn victims or quadriplegics or the like.
You do see scads of women lining up to marry the surviving Boston Bomber, however:
http://ca.shine.yahoo.com/blogs/healthy-living/boston-bombing-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-s-disturbing-female-fan-club-191627312.html
That's a different thing. Some women feel drawn to killers. Ted Bundy and Charles Mason are known to have received myriads of female fan letters, with women making all kinds of offers. There is even a science-y term for the phenomenon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia
DeleteAwesome! Thanks again - always enjoying your literal rants ;)
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you like it! I also liked the link you presumably wanted to include in the comment:
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DsXxORA2OKc4
Ha, that little easter-egg… ;)
DeleteYea, the Hitch is awesome…
Hitchens inspired me to be more eloquent, less cowardly, and first & foremost totally skeptical of what everyone else is thinking.
If I may say so, it is somewhat in that same spirit that I do enjoy your endeavours (either printed on paper, as forum posts or even your occasional elaborations in comments) as well. And there's actually a little email of gratitude in preparation once I get the proper time to finish it.
I'm looking forward to that email, and with a warm an fuzzy feeling. :)
DeleteSpeaking of speaking one's mind: you might want to read some of Schopenhauer's essays. Among all the dead, white men he has been by far the most influential on my intellectual development. I don't think he's always right, but he certainly is thought-provoking. The books should be available for free online (legally), but here's a link to the essay that is most relevant in context and probably a good starting point for discovering Schopenhauer's works:
http://insomnia.ac/essays/on_thinking_for_oneself/
Ah, wow… interesting… apart from some clichée (para)phrases of Schopenhauer's view on women I can't claim to actually have real in-depth knowledge of his philosophy and writings (yet). Thanks for providing a good starting point, I appreciate it! Speaking of intellectual development, due to my strong preference for practical Latin & Roman culture my own mindworking has been strongly shaped by guys like Lucretius, Cicero and Imperator Marcus Aurelius (yes, I know, he wrote his "Ton eis heauton" in Greek but anyway…). And I always felt that Hitchens displayed a lot of Ciceronian power, wit and sharp reasoning himself coupled with a unwavering stance for rationalism, humanism and against religious bigotry - just like M.T.C. and simply teleported into our modern age.
ReplyDelete… und auf die Email darfste Dich durchaus freuen, aber nur nicht zu früh! ;)
Sleazy you are married ?!
ReplyDeleteCongrats to you , man!
Seems like not everything is lost in this world , yet.
Time to put out some ''relationship-game'' material :)
PS: What about Roissy , I think it´s time to destoy some bullshitter´s career again.
Thanks, man!
DeleteYeah, time to write a book on how to game your wife like that joker:
http://gamingmywife.wordpress.com/
I'm working on something on Roissy, but please don't hold your breath just yet.
@Sleazy: congratulations to your marriage. And good luck.
ReplyDeleteGood post, great comments. I have to agree with Sleazy's assessment: men have better options than going after women.
My background: I am in my mid-40's and was married and then divorced. Four years ago I stumbled upon the manosphere, the ideas I found there finally helped me making sense of my divorce in particular and of women in general.
Already when I was young I found women quite unimpressive which led me to quickly lose interest in furthering the courtship. To me, a woman's shortcomings and flaws as a human being (character, manners, intelligence, language, social skills, ...) often lead to a lack of sexual interest, I just can't overlook it. Later I found a girl I was totally convinced of, married her and ... guess what? She wrecked the marriage out of a blatant lack of maturity. Now I have a decade of her as an ex-wife getting in the way between me and our child (all of the ugly stuff you've heard about ex-wives is true!) and I can say that I have become allergic to female immaturity and incompetence. The problem is: if you look around you will find it everywhere, you can't escape it.
HaselnussMay 24, 2013 at 8:25 AM said: "I was promised emancipated women. Now I want them. Where are they?". That pretty much sums it up: emancipation and feminism have systematically moved women beyond their level of human competence and the result is not pretty. That's the Peter Principle systematically at work for half of society. The damage is massive and growing everyday: relationships, workplace, institutions, politics, family, ... nothing is spared. Guys have taken note and avoid the girls in private. Furthermore, my prediction is that men will incresingly be vocal about female incompetence and will incresingly question the position and influence of women in society at all possible level.
Every job I've ever had where the experience has been horrible was a job where I answered to a woman, just saying..........
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