Monday, February 8, 2016
Check out Sonny's series on the PUA business
Despite my most recent article on Roosh, I don't intend to spend too much time on bashing PUAs. However, for a fresh take on that topic, check out Sonny's series "The PUA Industry Revealed". I particularly liked his post on in-field videos. Have a look around his site as well. It's geared towards younger guys, though, but if you dig around a bit you'll probably find a few posts you like.
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Sonny argues that the hardest part for inexperienced guys to figure out is that the infields are fake, because the people are obviously acting. Not exactly my experience. I purposefully shut down my logical brain while dealing with PUA (for reasons explained below), but even then I could not truly believe that those infields showed genuine attraction.
ReplyDeleteAdmittedly I had a large leg up on most guys watching PUA's, in that I actually played hockey at a really high level, and personally knew a few guys who were fantastic with girls, some from various teams I played for. Watching these guys at a party, and then watching literally any PUA in some infield video pretty much destroyed any idea that these PUA's were good with girls. The guys I knew were almost incomparably cooler than those guys, and although I never thought about it this way, I can't even imagine a single one of the girls those guys slept with going for a PUA. Like it's actually funny to imagine that.
No, the reason I chose to believe in PUA, and it most definitely was a choice, was the false belief I had that their were 2 options. Firstly, I could believe PUA's, and have a shot at getting laid sometime, with the goal of being a "player" when you "master PUA". Alternatively, I could not believe PUA's, and forever remain unattractive, and never get laid. I think we like to get carried away putting guys into the category of "true believer", when many of them simply feel that there is no other option for them. Really unfortunate. Nowadays there is much less of an excuse, but there's probably still a huge amount of guys consciously falling for it, because there's just enough truth in PUA for a rational mind to willingly accept it.
BTW to expand upon that last line.
ReplyDeleteJust as one example, Aaron has talked about how PUA's always use this mythical friend who's "a huge player even though he's ugly and has no job and can't dress himself", and so on. Well, I actually knew some guys who were not facially good looking or even ugly, who were good with girls. I knew four guys like that, and they were 6'2, 6'3, 6'3, and 6'4, and they were all in shape if not outright ripped. They also all played on high level teams, and were fun to be around. Every experience that I, and most guys, have tells us that all the other things matter, but PUA's tell us that the "being fun to be around/having game" is the only thing that matters for getting laid, and you know what, these guys were really fun to be around and not nervous around girls, so sure it's plausible that that's what really matters.
But then I would go and look at these infield videos and the guys in them were so weird and uncool compared to the guys I knew who got laid a lot. The girls would obviously be way more unhappy and stilted around them*. The one thing they said mattered was the one thing that they most obviously sucked at. Especially since I got into this back around 2009-2011, where there were still some PUA's doing the "dancing monkey" thing. It was outright painful to watch.
*Not entirely the PUA's fault, 90% of the guys got laid through social circle, where girls are more relaxed. That or meeting groups of girls with us at the beach or things of that nature. Then again, when you claim that cold approach is the greatest thing since sliced bread...
The unfortunate part for me, was that, had I overcome my painful shyness and awkwardness around women, I actually would have gotten laid a ton. I was in great shape, an athlete, not bad looking (although I thought I was), and six feet tall. For me if I literally just wore decent clothes and talked to girls without being so damn awkward I would have had a much more enjoyable few years, since I was already in a situation with a bunch of hot girls.
I'm a bit puzzled by this recommendation Sleazy. Sonny makes some good points about fake infields in this article but he also offers PUA bootcamps himself.
ReplyDeleteDid I promote his boot camp, or did I point to his articles on the PUA industry? I haven't found any fake infield videos by him, if that's what you are aiming at.
DeleteI can recommend these series to everyone. I'm familiar with these articles that he wrote and Sonny really comes across as a guy who has actual life experience and knows his shit, unlike the many 'guru's' out there. I'm surprised to see you recommending him, sleazy, but in a positive way. His stuff resonates quite a bit with your stuff, so i'm glad to see this connection. It's funny to see how he hardly seems to get any traffic to his blog, although his content really is not bad. He does not tell his audience what they want to hear (looks dont matter, u can get any girl, the usual PUA crapola) which may be a sound reason for that. Anyway i like the guy and his stuff, and i will continue to follow him as well as you, aaron. Your forum and this blog is very high quality i visit it whenever i need some common sense!
ReplyDeleteOne final thing though: Sonny has two infield articles with video, not with very much time in between. In the first infield he picks up a Hooters waitress which looked to me like a cool and genuine interaction. Then in the second one it almost appears as the same restaurant, and yes, the girls wear the same outfits and also sound very much alike. To me that is quite suspicious, it might as well have been the very same girl.
The interaction in the video sounded exactly like the interactions I get in real life when the girl is interested.
DeleteThat's legit.
Sonny is clearing take shots at Good Looking Loser in this video which is weird because I thought they were close.
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