Improving the Reward to Effort Ratio

Johnny, a reader of my blog, brought up some interesting points in reply to my post Reddit.com Q&A Afterthoughts.

I feel day game in general has very low reward to effort ratio. Street game is just downright pathetic in this regard. I was initially sold on the idea that not every chick goes to bars/clubs but everyone definitely has to, say, do grocery shopping. Very quickly, after getting my first 10-15 numbers (and all of them flaked), I realized that it is a complete waste of time. You have zero control over the variables involved.

I completely agree with this statement. What is particularly questionable about street game is that you often can’t even make a good guess about basic compatibility because most people have to dress in a certain way for work. Obviously, you’ll do a lot better if you are able to style yourself for a particular audience.

RSD cool with date rape

I recently received a hilarious email from Jon, and the title was catchy, too, so I had no choice but to check out the link he sent me. His comment was, "This is actually the most fucked up thing I have seen on a forum." Well, I have seen many fucked up things on forums, and the most shocking was a "rape report" on misogynists anonymous, er, mASF called LR : Hottie Hardcore LMR day2 in which a user named "gruenfeld" boasts about overcoming 100s of objections, only to have his cock greeted by a completely dry pussy.

Just look at this:

We literally explored the whole area of bed while I wrestle with her. Kept on
pinning her down. My penis is not hard enough to force it yet. She's twisting
her legs to prevent entry. She wants me to be on fire. Her hands on my hands to
keep from fingering her. Finally, I succeeded on fingering her. All this time
she kept saying no. Heard it about a hundred times.

Fingered her, she tried escaping and getting off bed. For the first time in my
life I experienced hardcore LMR. She kept on saying "Stop! Please! it hurts!
no! NO!" I just kept on thinking TD pinning his GF. She wants it.

After this historic lesson, let's fast forward to Real Social Dynamics in 2011.

Jon had only given me the actual link, but the title of the thread was already embarrassing enough. It is, Lie your way inside a womans vagina (People with morals DO NOT READ).

Frankly, after skimming the first few paragraphs I thought that "Fingerman" can't be serious. Just look at his guide to pulling a "retarded, drunk and fucking hot 18 years old":

Once you pulled her away from the friends, made out, and have a somewhat chill vibe going on (takes 15 -30mins), you say "this bar sucks, lets go to another bar". If she wants to know where it is, you say 2 min walk. If she has to get her coat, you guys go get the coat, if she has to say bye to her friends, you tell her what to say and hope to god that it's gonna work. If she refuses, you didnt do the first part right.

Once youre out, walk 2 blocks away from the bar. get in a cab and go to your house. If she objects, say its too cold/hot to walk./ Its just 5 min/i just wanna kiss/ can we kiss?/ ignore what she says and physically force her. If you cant verbally and physically dominate a drunk 18 yo girl that likes you, please kill yourself.

To get inside your house, tell her you need to get money before you guys go to the bar. Once inside, quickly take off your coat and shoes and put on some music, dim lights and pour yourseld a drink. In 1 min or less. Start making out, tell her youre gonna make her visit. Quickly take her to your room and if she says anything while you take off all your clothes, tell her to shut the fuck up, and make her go on her knees and suck your dick. Only worrt about taking off her clothes once youre fully naked and shes jerking you off or sucking your dick.

Shes young, shes drunk, she likes you.she wont resist. Or not a lot.

You need to act quick, dont let her any time to think or lead. Only pace yourself to get a vibe going. Do not hesitate, or youre fucked. Dont be afraid to physically force her to do anything or to tell her no or shut up. (can make her not like you and fuck up the pull so only do it ifnecessary)

This is sad enough, but look at the comments! Here are some:

this is accurate

retarded, drunk, hot 18 years olds are my favourite

Nice fingerman your advice is as always so fucking helpful, strategic, and intelligent.

No comment.

One user chimes in and recommends martial arts so that you learn how to force yourself upon women:

Yeah that bit about jiu jitsu... I actually recommend taking some form of martial art for improved man handling abilities, bjj + strength training = god tier manhandling skills.

However, I find it impossible to tell if some of the people are actually serious. First I thought that "Saint Etienne" was making fun of "Fingerman", but the last part of his comment made me think otherwise:

yeah, and then when you're done with her, you just like grab all her clothes an then throw em at her, then shout get out you fucking whore. women deserve this because of what they've done to us

RSD instructor Jeffy aka. "jlaix" is "Loving the responses.", instead of banning this dude and deleting the thread in order to save face. Jesus. Even worse, Jeffy seems to have edited his comment, because he gets quoted with "Anyone actually fucking chicks on a regular basis knows this is what's up" by another user.

I couldn't bring myself to reading the whole thread, but Jeffy's later comment says it all: "We're here to fuck girls not assuage hypothetical psychological wounds and/or better society. I'm frankly a little sick of KJ moralizing and hand wringing about this shit. Let's not sugar coat what it is we are doing here too much. We're FUCKING WOMEN."

OK, got you, what's so wrong about using a little force if it means that you get your little pecker wet, right?

That those nine pages of comments to the forum thread have the potential to make you lose faith in humanity. Viz:

5-stars. OP is dead on target. My "game" is still intermediate but I've experienced enough to begin to see this is how it really goes down, even if I can't yet pull it off myself.

Part of the problem for me is fear that if I am this aggressive with a girl, especially a young drunk girl 10 to 15 years my junior, she may cry "rape" the next day. Not because it happened but because she wants to justify her slutty behavior. It sounds like you just need to be extremely calibrated to sense if she's really down and just putting up token resistance or if she really feels "forced" into doing things.

I actually have no moral issues at all with the OP (hell I think the age of consent should be 17, even 16 on case-by-case...), it's just our society's fucked-up laws on sex that scare me.

Not the laws are fucked up but this guy who fantasizes of raping girls half his age and getting away with it.

Not all hope is lost for mankind, though. Some users made statements such as:

This is quite disturbing...especially how many times you wrote and emphasized "physically force her". But hey....

I also liked this one:

i have advice for you, instead of having to wait to find the drunk girls, just roofy them since yer in such a hurry!

But please excuse me now, I've got to vomit.

A Tribute to Tyler from RSD

I really can't believe how anyone (!) can take Owen Cook aka. Tyler aka. TylerDurden from RSD aka. Real Social Dynamics seriously. Here are some highlights from the video I mentioned recently. This guy is so absurd that he deserves a prize for being the creepiest guy on the Internet.

I know, my mom told me to not mock fun at people but, honestly, in the case of Owen Cook probably even Gandhi, Mother Theresa, and Jesus himself would have made an exception.

Look at him in all his glory:

Tyler knows Kung Fu.

He can even fight while holding his phone.

Simulating how you would penetrate your phone with your fingers.

I think he is talking about 9/11.

Greeting some one from very far.

Making the "wanker" gesture,

Everything is easy, Tyler.

That's him in a club. Too bad nobody told him that grabbing a girl by the shoulder is just odd.

Jeepers! The police is coming after him.

Fondling imaginary breasts.

Yeah, got it!

Seriously, WTF!? This must be the "claw" Ozzie always talks about.

Toodledo!

Watch out!

Staring at some girl's cleavage.

Come closer, baby!

Shoot! He got slapped.

But that's fine. Tyler can laugh about everything. Probably even himself.

Aw, now he has cr*pped his pants.

...which really pisses him off. Mommy!!

F*ck! She's in Canada and I'm in LA. What do I do now!?

I know, I act as if I am an 80 year old senile, which makes it perfectly fine!

See, no problemo!

Hahaha, I'm so smart!

See, I'm even smarter and better looking than Golum.

If this isn't blue screen then I don't know what is! Everything is sharp except Tyler (no pun intended; oh, wait...).

Praising himself.

Just look at the way he is touching her. That's totally creepy.

"Yeah, Sleazy, maybe you are right and I am a dork."

"But please don't tell anyone. Promise?"

"Really, Sleazy, from now on I'll try to be 'normal'".

"What, you don't believe me? Sleazy, you are really starting to p*ss me off!!!"

"Sh*t, I've lost the plot again."

Honestly, Tyler reminds me of a certain vicar I used to know.

OK, glasses, receding hairline, double chin, superman cape, what else do you need to pick up girls!?

Uncle Tyler wants you to join RSDNation!

Or else!!

Or else!!!!!!

No, don't worry about him.

"Hahahahaha!"

Sh*t, he's hit himself.

Sucks to be you, Tyler.

Yeah, I know, but I can't change it.

Again, blue screen or I'll eat my hat.

It looks funnier this way, though.

Tyler mimicking a 12 year old girl.

Don't be pissed at me, Tyler. I'm just playing.

Now where are the cakes to throw at him?

Hahahaha! (holding camera)

Conducting an orchestra with his left hand while texting.

Sucking some imaginary c*ck.

Yeah, we got you, Tyler. You're da man!

I don't worry about Real Social Dynamics anymore. Once they go out of business, Tyler will storm the stages of Las Vegas. This guy is a first rate comedian. Too bad he's working in the wrong industry.