Tuesday, March 19, 2013

The Great Manosphere Invasion of Russia (Part II)


In Mark Twain's The Adventures of Tom Sawyer one episode consists of Tom and his friends trying to become "pirates", so they leave the village behind to live off mother nature. It quickly turns out that their romantic notions were quite mistaken. One passage describes how they feasted on some meager fish:
They fried the fish with the bacon, and were astonished; for no fish had ever seemed so delicious before. They did not know that the quicker a fresh-water fish is on the fire after he is caught the better he is; and they reflected little upon what a sauce open-air sleeping, open-air exercise, bathing, and a large ingredient of hunger make, too.
At this point you can probably see the parallels to the Roosh V forum crew already. They are starved for food, er, pussy, and anything would do. We left them when they were collectively fantasizing about being "the only ticket in town" in some remote corner of Russia. What happened next?

Well, what happened was the equivalent of Tom Sawyer and his crew merely seeing some fish in the distance, and starting to salivate. Some dude dug out pictures of "Club Amsterdam" in Volgograd, which showed scenes like this:

Party on, bros!



Two black dudes about to have a threesome each...


I don't see anything that's remotely close to a pussy paradise, to be honest. Even worse, going through the photo stream of that club reveals that the quality of the women really isn't all that great:

Really makes you want to go to Volgograd right away, doesn't it?

I guess perceptions change if you believe that any girl there would fuck you just because you're from the USA. How has this spiel been working out for Roosh? Oh, wait... Quality isn't such a great concern for the Roosh V forum crowd, and people are falling over themselves to prematurely celebrate their victory. Apparently they thought they really had found a treasure.

Russia-nauts: Houston we have a problem.
Houston:What's that?
Russia-nauts: We don't want to come back to the whales of Earth.

The nighclub pics were really encouraging.

One pussy paradise isn't enough. The existence of another one was postulated:

Just wait guys, there are better cities where the women are even hotter and the men are more ugly and dress like shit!

Many of the alleged proofs for the existence of god are conducted along the same lines: x is true because I say so. But where then are all the hot Russian women hiding? Forum member "BrownBear" made use of his highly-developed analytical skills:

I already collected most of the links for everynight club (Except the huge cities I didn't put all the places for them) in over 75 cities now I'm just looking over each night club and reading reviews/gathering pictures/videos/hours of operation etc... I'll do it my way..
President I haven't only collected nightclub data, but pubs,bars,restaurants, grills and then I will do hotels. 
Imagine what working out a similar amount of time would have done for him and his chances with the women in his city. He wouldn't even have to travel to Volgograd in the end. He also spoke of "turning this into an app". I see, it's all about passive income! He eventually started his own forum at http://russianexpatnightlife.com/ Sadly, he forgot to take precautions against spamming, which is why there are tens of thousands of posts by spam bots on there. Way to go!

I found it quite amazing that those guys have apparently never seen women in their life, judging from the comments to the pictures of those thoroughly mediocre looking chicks:

I have spent the last few days looking at those nightclub pics, all I can say is WOW!
Sadly, he seemed serious, just like some other dude a little later:

Those photos are incredible. It's like a professional level stage show. The girls are unreal. Russian chicks combine refined intellect and luscious animality. They are so hot.

I wonder how he managed to assess the intellect of some random chicks on pictures.

Speaking of refined intellects, some other guy chimed in:

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on what country you are from. 90% these girls don't know Brazil from Mexico and many think Canada is part of the United States. 90% of girls know nothing about geography! Fucking Zero and don't give a shit. They will judge you by how you present yourself!

Not knowing shit, yet having strong opinions about everything. Why aren't those guys pursuing a career in business or politics?

Thread starter Vorkuta had even more genius ideas to make "pussy slaying" even easier. Heck, pussy may just slay itself in the end.

I think we should chip in and buy an old Lada over there to use as the RVF pussy hunting mobile,just think of the kinds of places we'll be able to hunt in if we have our own set of wheels!

I guess if you hand the valet the keys to your Lada, all the girls will just flash their tits for you. By the way, this is what a (well-kept) old Lada looks like:

The new number plate will be PZY-SLR 69

Going back to a more serious topic, sex tourist Neil Skywalker warns a black dude not to take the risks lightly:

As for being black in Russia: Maybe it works out in cities like Moscow but I wouldn't go rural if I were you. Once I passed through Moscow I haven't seen one black person in 7 weeks of traveling in Russia and Kazakhstan. This might make you special and some girls might like you for it but it also makes you an easy target for Gopniks with no future besides getting drunk on vodka early in the morning and who have no problem cutting your face up with a broken beer bottle just because you're talking to "their" girls.
I had to deal with them more than a few times while walking down the street or in trains. They could already target me as a foreigner by my non-slavic face and brown eyes. Imagine how you are gonna stand out.
You're welcome to try it and I would admire you for your guts but you've been warned .

So, finally a guy who has been in Russia. All objections were quickly discarded, with BrownBear offering to, "become a personal guard for RVF members"


Delusion after delusion:

Yes that is why it is wise to be in a group, when we set up shop in a 2nd or 3rd tier city in Russia. You should come once we have picked the city. We can pay you to be our english teacher and buy you drinks when we go out, since you will be watching our backs. If Neil, who is a white dutchman, got some harrasment, I am sure we will be targets once we start slaying the local pussy.

When another guy wanted to tell the those would-be adventures that they are merely fantasizing, there was no reaction either:

When I was in the Ukraine, many guys that were not players came expecting a poossy paradise . They ended up sitting in hotel lobbies talking to other men. Girls are not just sitting around waiting for some foreign dude to show up to jump on his dick. So you better come with your game tight or else it could be a cold winter or maybe cool summer! You have to give her a reason to want to date you, DHV.

Apart from the game and DHV bullshit, it's a realistic assessment. After all, how are those guys who have a really hard time getting laid back home going to get laid in a country where they don't speak the language and have zero interest in the culture or anything else. So, they'd either sit in their hotel rooms or the hotel lobby, while back home everything sounded like a done deal, like that:

I would like it to have a) Asian girls, and b) accessible by airport. Really we need to take Partizan's advice and aim for cities 800K and up. I don't care how good the pussy is, you will get bored if there is nothing else there to do, however I will not be able to spend 2 months there. I mentioned some city names upthread.

He doesn't care "how good the pussy is" --- as if it is guaranteed that all Russian women he'll come across will throw themselves at him.

Part III will start with a surprise twist. Stay tuned!

91 comments:

  1. Will Part III cover what the so called manosphere thinks about Russia politically? They all think that Russia is some sort of great land of freedom, that Putin is a hero, and that RT (Russia Today) is the only trustworthy media source out there (with the possible exception of PressTV, the international arm of Iranian state media).

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    1. Yeah, what is it with these guys and their reflexive anti Americanism, conspiracy theories and anti Semitism?
      They probably love Putin because they see him as an alpha, unlike the hapless Bush and the clueless Obama.
      These people have no values, morals ,ethics or standards. They only worship power and want pussy. That is the sum total of their personality.

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    2. Maybe some people like listening to media that actually addresses American serial propensity to go to war. I can see why you Douche Pill who like most Americans would rather have the government spend all its money on military imperialism rather than social welfare schemes (which god forbid might end up helping black people or other undesirables) would have a problem with that.

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    3. Maybe some people like listening to media that actually addresses American serial propensity to go to war. I can see why you Douche Pill who like most Americans would rather have the government spend all its money on military imperialism rather than social welfare schemes (which god forbid might end up helping black people or other undesirables) would have a problem with that.

      This message brought to you by the anti-American anti-semitic manosphere and shills for the Russian government.

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    4. They probably love Putin because they see him as an alpha

      You may have meant this as a joke, but I have seen manospherians actually say this.

      However, it goes beyond that. For example, the manosphere will attack Obama for this leftist views. Yet, they support Hugo Chavez for being even more leftist! (Here's an exampole of that: http://apocalypsecometh.com/hugo-chavez-is-dead/) I have said before that the so called manosphere is about contrarianism rather than anything else. Like you point out it's because they only worship power and want pussy.

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    5. "This message brought to you by the anti-American anti-semitic manosphere and shills for the Russian government."

      - I am not the one who rabidly hates 50% of the American population. And wtf you doing on this site anyways if you hate women so much?!

      And LOL what part of my comment was anti semitic? Are you Jewish yourself? That would explain your reflexive hostility to any questioning of American militarism, especially in the Middle East. I am familiar with the very common tactic of anti semitic accusations to shut off debate. Thanks for showing your true colors asshole.

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    6. @The Black Pill

      Oh they do!
      http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/spot-the-alpha-4/

      This type of alpha male jock sniffing is so supremely undignified , it is just adolescent in its silliness and amoral worship of power.
      Adolescents have an excuse-they are adolescents! Whats the Roissyites excuse?

      Silvio Berlusconi is another favorite mostly because he goes around sleeping with his teenage mistresses.

      Seriously its like these guys never left high school.

      Regarding Putin, one of the more level headed and lucid commentators had these IMO accurate insights.


      My thoughts exactly, but about Putin. (Obama is sub-beta. He has publicly wrestled with his racial identity, his behavior is dictated by third-hand ideology and his dreadnought amazon of a wife [whose "strength" and physical size reinforces said ideology], and he has made a life stumbling upwards, acquiring the trappings of power through circumstance and white guilt.)

      Putin is a try-hard.

      Yes there is a degree of showmanship necessary for a world-leader — the optics of manliness.

      But his photo-ops are so stupendously over-the-top

      http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/09/vladimir-putin-action-man/100147

      that it undercuts his status by sliding into clownishness. Really, what more manliness must a man prove than being the extraconstitutional leader of the world’s largest country for more than a decade?

      An alpha’s reputation of accomplishment precedes his presence. His aura (posture, clothing, demeanor) only reinforces the substance of the essence unseen, emblems which never contradict his status. If one is engaged in more and greater feats of attempted alpha display, it’s likelier a sign that one is not internally at peace with the patent obviousness of his outward status.

      As a simple lesson in alpha optics, however: point taken.

      As a lesson in the widespread misapprehension of what constitutes the essence of alphadom, look no further than the slavish slobbering over Putin’s black belt and bear wrestling and other false positives cited by the alpha-mime peanut gallery in the comboxes.

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    7. @Nas

      What its now 50%, I thought we hated 99% LOL anything thank you not thinking of us as misanthropic as before.

      You seem to be very confused ,if not outright stupid! Who said that this site for those who hate women? The entire point of this site is to counter the over the top misoginy that exists in the PUA sites.

      Questioning American militarism in the Middle East doesnt make you anti Semitic. But there are too many anti Semites who have the same "concerns" you have.

      As for you being anti Semitic,your statement below
      Are you Jewish yourself? That would explain your reflexive hostility to any questioning of American militarism, especially in the Middle East."
      would qualify you as an anti Semite-ie assuming that that Jews would march lockstep behind American militarism in the Middle East. I hope you realize that most American Jews(Israeli Jews were split on the issue) were against the Iraq war, are lukewarm(at best) at the thought of war on Iran and most support a two state solution for Israel/Palestine.
      You are probably too stupid to realize that they overwhelmingly vote Democrat- a party that is not known for being a national security hawk in the Middle East.

      I dont know if you are an anti Semite but the circumstantial evidence is very strong. And the fact that you use the statement above to try and prove that you are not anti Semitic just proves that you are a supreme idiot.

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    8. ysv_rao,

      "What its now 50%, I thought we hated 99% ..."

      - Women being roughly 50% of the population. Black Pill is a known misogynist. Since Sleazy doesn't hold such misogynistic views, I ask again why does Black Pill bother frequenting this site? But you are right it would be more accurate to say he is against 99% of the American population.

      "LOL anything thank you not thinking of us as misanthropic as before."

      - What do you mean "us"? You are too self important. That comment wasn't directed towards you, the comment was directed at Black Pill who questioned any value from watching media other than FOX news. And for having views such as this: http://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/are-women-a-threat-to-national-security/#comment-7879. I have never corresponded with you before and weren't familiar with your views.

      "You are probably too stupid to realize that they overwhelmingly vote Democrat- a party that is not known for being a national security hawk in the Middle East."

      - Yes the democrats didn't vote against the Iraq war, didn't attack Libya and are not beating the war drums on Syria and Iran. And every democratic candidate doesn't shamelessly pay tribute to the Jewish lobby. Excuse me, that was anti semitic of me, I meant the Israeli lobby. Because you know American Jews are not known for having strong attachments to Israel and having a greater interest in Middle East politics. Yes, how stupid of me indeed.

      "I dont know if you are an anti Semite but the circumstantial evidence is very strong. And the fact that you use the statement above to try and prove that you are not anti Semitic just proves that you are a supreme idiot."

      - Okay fucktard, your entire modus operandi seems to be throwing ad hominems around to stifle criticism and debate. Don't bother responding, I think we have corresponded enough. Any objective person reading this conversation will see what you are about.

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    9. Also on Putin, very funny ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk_VszbZa_s

      This is a song called "A man like Putin", it's basically a propaganda song where hot girls say that they want a man like Putin ("full of strength, who wouldn't run away") with a music video where he can be seen shaking hands with some dude and chilling in a sofa.

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    10. Nas

      I will not delve in your issues with black pill but address your more problematic viewpoints.

      Democratic politicans are opportunistic when it comes to war no doubt. THey either support war because their constituents demand it be so or do so at the request at a third party as a social service- Bosnia 95, Kosovo 99, Libya 2011 and possibly Syria in 2013.
      American Jews dont have as strong attachments to Israel as white evangelicals -the latter are far more hawkish on matters of Israeli settlers and terrorism against Israel.
      How stupid of you indeed.
      American Jews are no more attached to Israel than Armenian Americans to Armenia,Iranian Americans to Iran and Arab Americans to the Palestinians( all powerful lobby groups BTW, if they lack the cohesion and resolve of the Israel lobby thats not American Jews fault)
      - Okay fucktard, your entire modus operandi seems to be throwing ad hominems around to stifle criticism and debate."

      Actually no, my MO certainly does not include allegations of ad hominems against the debators but refering to him as "fucktard"

      LOL, do you even think before you type?

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    11. @Nas Slandering BlackPill PART ONE

      BlackPill is a great case example for why women's mating laziness and propensity for the plausible deniability dynamic has massive consequences that come back to bite women in the ass.

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      (Before you accuse me of misogyny too, note that in real life my two best and closest friends are girls, I only have ONE single male friend, and the rest of my friends [dozens to hundreds depending on closeness criteria] are all female. I love women and prefer their company over men's)
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      We live in a culture that can very easily produce embittered men. Such a man thinks women are out to get him and hate his guts for no reason. This leads to apathy, bitterness, sometimes misoginy and often suicide.

      Most of this is put into the messages forced by women onto men, the primary message being:

      - You as a man have no worth outside of your ability to get women. If you're not getting dates or lays, you must inherently be flawed and broke in some way

      NOW... combine this with the fact that women also play THESE DYNAMICS too:

      - We will pretend we're not interested in you, we will never show you clear signs of interest and in fact we will feign disinterest on purpose (plausible deniability complex)

      - The only way you can find out if we have interest in you, is if you try and don't get rejected. Merely trying once or a few times isn't enough, we want you to keep trying, keep making moves until we pretend to "cave into your advances" so we can say we were seduced and take NO responsibility for the mating outcomes

      - BUT if you make attempts on an uninterested woman, we will declare you worse than hitler, serial rapists and serial killers combined

      So, on THIS PLANET (unless you're a rockstar) the only way to get somewhere with women is to proactively make moves despite the woman not showing outright interest and simply accepting the nuclear rejections.

      There are subtle ways to tell if she's uninterested for real or just plausibly denying, but those require a high-level of experience, social calibration and perceptiveness.

      AT THE SAME TIME, you have the feminists lying their assess off about this dynamic, insinuating that you're supposed to wait for clear signals and women making moves on you (which again, if you're not a rockstar, doesn't happen). This huge society-wide ideology tells you that if women are not proactively hunting you down ,then you must be a filthy worthless and flawed POS.

      Combine this with this ideology pushing the notion that creepiness is a crime, and you get this point where socially awkward men are treated like lepers.

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    12. PART TWO

      Black Pill has been the victim of several false sex-harassment charges (which he won, since they were dis proven), but he is a great example that society tells women that being creeped out is a crime and you can rob men of their freedoms, jobs and financial security merely for the crime of being socially uncalibrated.

      (I can relate, I was a geek in my teens and having read 2000 books before I finished high-school, so I never developed calibration. My early 20s were therefore pure living hell where women treated me like a leper for the crime of having missed out on getting calibration earlier in life).

      Is a love of reading books a crime worthy of almost leading a man to suicide?

      And see, since the pussy-cartel invests a ton of energy in hiding any discussion or awareness of female laziness and plausible deniability they have to be on the offensive and attack men who don't know how the game works.

      The game is = you as a man make all the moves, take all the risks, and keep escalating taking into account massive rejection as part of the deal.

      If you however admit you're not succesful with women, NO WOMAN will tell you to simply accept rejection and make more moves on more women, SINCE THIS WOULD BE ADMITTING the act of female laziness and plausible deniability.

      Instead they go on the offensive and attack you, demean you, dehumanize you and insinuate you must be a flawed idiot worse than hitler should you be celibate.

      A person who has spent their entire life being attacked, told they're worse than hitler for not knowing how to escalate (or that escalation even exists) will not be a happy camper.

      Further, being that they're told that a women's pussy is the ultimate judge of your worth as a human, you can guess how it makes one feel if he goes decades being told by thousands of women that he's unworthy (yet serial killers, hitler, and the worst human beings on the planet had loving girlfriends). You're told by women as a group that you're an unworthy specimen deserving of only suicide.

      And why do women as a group do this and drive men to misoginy/bitterness and often suicide.

      FOR ONE REASON ONLY? Due to the commitment in hiding away plausible deniability and female laziness in mating. It's the elephant in the room that must not be spoken of.

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    13. A comment that Dungone added to the above posts I made

      "The only way you can find out if we have interest in you, is if you try and don’t get rejected. Merely trying once or a few times isn’t enough, we want you to keep trying, keep making moves until we pretend to “cave into your advances” so we can say we were seduced and take NO responsibility for the mating outcomes

      I would word this part a little more strongly, for full effect.

      I would say that women don’t merely behave as though they had been “seduced,” but more like they were compelled, forced, and generally manipulated into something that was either entirely against their will or, at best, they had been indifferent to.

      When you say “cave into your advances,” this could mean anything from a romantic notion of falling heads over heels for some irresistibly manly man of her dreams to the far more common scenario of “settling,” perhaps all the while still being open to other men’s competing advances. And even if it does start out as a romantic interpretation, by the time the relationships falls apart, women often busy herself with retroactively taking back EVERY LAST OUNCE of affection she had ever bestowed upon their man. This is just as true for one night stands as it is for multi-year relationships. Women often take back everything. It wasn’t sex, it was borderline rape. It wasn’t courtship, it was stalking. It wasn’t a show and affection, it was trying to buy her off. It wasn’t love, it was her giving him the sex that he and only he wanted."

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  2. Speaking of having very low standards of hotness. Check out this post(somewhat NSFW) from Roissy/heartist/Chateau or whatever the fuck he is called.

    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/open-this-set-3/

    He actually considers these broads hot...ugh! I felt mild nausea when I saw them. When a few of the commenters chimed to say that they were ugly , Roissy responded by calling them nerds and omegas and asked them to stick to the point(it was about how to do a cold approach on those women).

    It was actually then I was convinced that Roissy was full of shit, it was something I had only been suspecting for a while.

    How can anyone be impressed by this lot if they are in awe of such absolutely rogue looking women?

    And honestly in the above pics some of them look like whores, are we supposed to take them at their word that they arent?

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    1. @ysv_rao

      Amafuckingad dude, have tou read the comments? I'm actually at a loss for words. Best part when an actual girl chimes in and points out to Heartiste why he is wrong, to which he manly replies implying she has mental issues.

      The comment section of this post alone would fuel Aaron's blog for five years.

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    2. I feel like Aaron really hasn't delved into the cesspool that is Roissy enough. He's said it's because the writing style is so over the top and the mental masturbation so ridiculous that he can't make it past a few paragraphs. But man, I'm willing to bet if he really started checking out how fucked up and delusional Roissy and his commenters are, he'd generate a month of posts in a single day lol

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    3. Could you possibly list a handful of particularly noteworthy posts from Roissy's site? I find it hard just skimming the entires, but if I could expect to find some good material, I'd be more motivated to dedicate some time.

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    4. @AaronSleazy

      I glance through his site only occasionally. Truth be told I like his posts where he skewers feminists and silly entitled women.But a lot of it is too misogynistic for my taste.There are some at the back of mind, Ill skim thru it maybe this weekend and info.I acted reflexively by posting that roissy link as his opinion of those chicks being hot was seared in my memory.
      @Anon yes, the commenters are ofte more astute and are more discriminating than roissy himself but even then, they cant discern that they have been sold a false bill of good.

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    5. Remember when Lady Raine and Denise Romano exposed Roissy and he got fired from his gubmint job? He's been unemployed ever since. Notable is how he always criticized women for "working useless cushy gubmint jobs at the expense of the tax payer" while both LR and DR were privately employed, LR as a machinist (manly job!) to boot, and its Roissy who MY and YOUR tax dollars is going to support!

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    6. I heard he was never actually fired. Any proof?

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    7. Yeah, I'm curious about this too. Was Roissy actually fired? If anyone has some proof, please share it.

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    8. "I heard he was never actually fired. Any proof?"
      I can't offer proof, but I wouldn't be surprised.

      Think about it:
      1. Roissy supposedly works at a big job making big money. Which equals big hours.
      2. In spite of the hours he writes several pages of drivel every other day.
      3. In spite of that he moderates the numerous comments on his blog heavily.
      4. And in spite of that he comments often and longsome on his own blog.

      Something smells fishy at Chateau Heartiste and it ain't poon.

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    9. No one said he worked at a big job making big money. I heard he was working a quasi-governmental type job in a cubicle. Decent job for sure, but I don't know if it was supposed to be "big." Thing with him and the sheer amount of time he spent on blogging is, he was always like that, even before the outing debacle. From the very early days he was always blogging up a storm, plus a major reason he's so popular is because he would spend a lot of time commenting on other blogs to increase his visibility. You would see him in the comments section of a ton of blogs daily. Also, Roosh himself as outright said that Roissy didn't get fired, but then again he could be lying. I think we should spread anything without hardcore proof.

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    10. "No one said he worked at a big job making big money. I heard he was working a quasi-governmental type job in a cubicle."
      - That his job cannot be that big was my major point - so congrats. But even for a normal ~40 h job his time investment in his online persona is considerable and there have to be drawbacks in other areas of his life (friends, social life, "poon").
      - The blatant hipocrisy of Roissy is one of the sadder points. He's constantly bitching about those unproductive state sponsored feminists, and he works in finance for the state. What a tool.

      "even before the outing debacle"
      He had it coming.

      "Also, Roosh himself as outright said that Roissy didn't get fired, but then again he could be lying. I think we should spread anything without hardcore proof."
      I assume this should read: "We shouldn't spread anything"
      I have three things to say to that:
      1. I'm not "spreading" anything.
      2. I don't need hardcore proof. Just common sense.
      3. If you are a cult member of Roissy, and it very much sounds like that, this is not a happy place for you.

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    11. I'm on the fence about using personal details to attack Roissy. On one hand, the employment stuff is a distraction from the main point: his game philosophy being nearly 100 percent worthless.

      On the other hand, his endless slams on white DC urbanites (or as he calls them, SWPLs) belies the fact that he hangs out with that crowd in real life. He talks of the decline of coastal american cities (which isn't true, btw) because of their permissive values, yet he (supposedly) profits off that very environment. That doesn't make him revolutionary or iconoclastic, it makes him a coward and a tool.

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    12. I'm on the fence about using personal details to attack Roissy. On one hand, the employment stuff is a distraction from the main point: his game philosophy being nearly 100 percent worthless.

      On the other hand, his endless slams on white DC urbanites (or as he calls them, SWPLs) belies the fact that he hangs out with that crowd in real life. He talks of the decline of coastal american cities (which isn't true, btw) because of their permissive values, yet he (supposedly) profits off that very environment. That doesn't make him revolutionary or iconoclastic, it makes him a coward and a tool.


      I agree. Using details of his personal life to point out his hypocrisy and to point out that his shtick is pure bullshit I'm totally in favor of. I just don't want to go into unconfirmed speculation when the confirmed real-life details already provide us enough ammunition.

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    13. Sorry, Im late to this. I think exposing a blogger's true identity is completely out of line and immoral( unless he is advocating or promoting violence against a specific individual or group). He maybe a loathsome trash talking hypocrite but that is not a crime.
      Going after the person and exposing him is a sort of ad hominem attack , its the type of thing that women are especially prone to do.
      I remember a vicious and exhausting back and forth with a female anti Semitic,anti American, Iraqi Arab supremacist blogger(she thought the Arabs were the bees knees and all other nations were shit) and when I had verbally and ideologically pounded the living crap out of her, she threatened to release my (mockingly misogynist and antiArab) emails to my contacts(back then in hotmail, your messenger contacts were available for others to see). I called her bluff and told her to do as she pleased.She resigned in defeat and said I would end up in her spam folder.
      The same thought process is in play with Lady Raine et al. Say you want about Roissy, he skewers feminists like no one else(pretty much the only reason I read him) and LR when unable to counter his points did the less than honorable thing and exposed him.
      Again I loathe Roissy but I cant get behind this type of 'outing'. In this context, whether he works for the government or a high paying corporate job is of no importance.

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    14. http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/my-time-inside-the-housing-bubble/

      More roissy....

      Check this out , re his high status job


      A few years ago I briefly toyed with the idea of getting a second job on the side for some quick and easy supplemental bling. Acting on a tip from a friend, I walked into the office of a mortgage broker in northern Virginia to begin my second life as an intermediary taking advantage of information bottlenecks and client ignorance.

      [YSV: What kind of guy who makes much dinero in his super important high status job would consider the position of a real estate agent which can be done by high school graduates?And also his utter naivete in assuming that it would be "easy" money]

      The president mob boss of the small company was a short Vietnamese man with manic energy, a giant gold watch, and a quick tongue. I mentioned my referral and, after sizing me up, he told me there would be an all-hands meeting in a half hour and I was invited to sit in and see if this business appealed to me.

      I scanned the office. Lots of empy cubicles with flickering monitors full of excel spreadsheets being operated by invisible employees. Along the wall were closed door offices with nameplates designating various positions – VP this, VP that, CFO (!), Executive manager. Really? I popped my head into one office and another South Asian greeted me. We bantered a bit then he showed me his trophies and certificates for excellence in mortgage brokering. A huge photo of him sitting in his Ferrari hung prominently behind his desk. He noticed me checking it out and said it took him only three years to build his client list to reach the point he could buy that beauty — all it required was a solid work ethic. He was wearing a Rolex.

      [Garishness and tastelessness, thy name is noveau riche. Having worked in sales, I know for a fact that most of the succesful guys in there for some reason dress like a hobo who just the lottery like this individual described above. A gold rolex?A ferrari? The dealers saw him coming a mile away]

      [In his defense, he quit after 3 weeks but then it was because he felt it was a scam not so much due to the nature of the business but his issue was with the TACTICS.]

      [I noticed in the comments claims that salesguys always get laid a whole lot- my impressions are based on anecdotal evidence but it is not negligible as I worked with and met too many salesmen- good salesmen obviously do well with clients but I dont never really saw most of them dating particularly attractive women.For one thing, many of these guys were not really good looking(especially in telesales which I dealt with) but even the good looking guys were rather slimy in the way but made many women feel really uncomfortable at best and creeped out at worst.]

      [Also in the comments are the usual tall tales about lonely horny housewives. While I dont doubt that such scenarios do occur, they are rarities and extreme exceptions to the rule, bravado dictates that numbers of such encounters as well as the attractiveness of the women in question be exagerrated]

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  3. "I don't see anything that's remotely close to a pussy paradise, to be honest."
    Most women on the pics are average, some are nice (the promoters for example). So yeah, no magical pussy paradise. Who would have thought.

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  4. Lol, they sound like the western equivalents to Dan Aykroyd and Steve Martin's "2 Wild & Crazy Guys" on SNL. Akward, language challenged sex tourists expecting to find "swinging foxes hot for their bulges"

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  5. Unfurtunately there are indeed places in Russia where there are no normal men and a bunch of desperate beautiful women , mostly rural small to middle populated towns affected by nazi cleansing in WW 2 and generally by the war as a whole. Notice how these morons target certian cities , in Mosow or Saint P they would´t have a chance. Quick historical hint relevant to the subject: Everybody speaks about holocaust, many people in their political fanatism even dare to disregard the notion of nazi cleansing (especially targeting boys growing up to fight )* of the slavs * as denial of the holocaust , but I don´t hear anybody mentioning how much russia suffered,fucking 15% of the poplulation with 20 mio (11 mio soldiers) deaths with 18% russian civilian deaths accounting of total deaths in the war. The reality was that after the war there were literally no men in small to middle cities and rural towns. The remaining alcoholic who was unable to fight and therefore survived got to impregnate his whole derevnya ( small town ), leaving behing fucking morons. So much about genetic legacy. In middle populated cities the few retiring soldiers got to impegnate the other women , notice how the most strong and healthy fought at the front and died.In russian historical films there is often the motive of the ,, just make me a baby and leave´´-girl interacting with the soldier coming home after the war. Heck , I am existing because my grand-grand father was ,,only´´in a support unit. Of course I am generalizing but I to state a point : Sadly these fuckheads are right , there are places with a few normal guys a girls wants to be with , dozens of young desperate beautiful women and a majority of genetic scum :alcoholics narcs and gopnics ( small scale bandits ). This reality comes dangerously close to a pussy paradise. Anectodatal evidence (personal but still evidence): I heard guys say ,, I have a job and don´t drink ,all my peers are on drugs so no competion for me´´.
    Sincerly : A Russian
    BTW ; awesome blog can´t wait for part III.

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    1. I concede your point. However you must agree these places with a plethora of beautiful do carry a great degree of risk for the unwary sex tourist as they are pretty much out of the way of the normal tourist traffic. A few incidents is all it takes to strike terror and prevent others from pursuing the same course.

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  6. Love the Tom Sawyer parallel.
    The grass is always greener ;-)
    With that said, I do plan to go to eastern europe though. The polish girl from yesterday told me I would do good there. But let's see - I have to test it out first.

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  7. "I don't see anything that's remotely close to a pussy paradise, to be honest. Even worse, going through the photo stream of that club reveals that the quality of the women really isn't all that great:."

    Never go to France man, 95% of the clubs are far from this level of talent.
    Many many 7s, a few 8s, doesn't look like sausage fest: it looks like a great place to get laid in my book.

    I won't comment the rest, it's beating a dead horse, wrong on too many levels. Wearing sunglasses in a club will work a lot better in Easter Europe for sure ...

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  8. "As for being black in Russia: Maybe it works out in cities like Moscow but I wouldn't go rural if I were you. Once I passed through Moscow I haven't seen one black person in 7 weeks of traveling in Russia and Kazakhstan. This might make you special and some girls might like you for it but it also makes you an easy target for Gopniks with no future besides getting drunk on vodka early in the morning and who have no problem cutting your face up with a broken beer bottle just because you're talking to "their" girls.
    I had to deal with them more than a few times while walking down the street or in trains. They could already target me as a foreigner by my non-slavic face and brown eyes. "

    Most Kazakhstanis have brown or black eyes so I don't see how he would "stand out" with brown eyes.

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  9. great post , eagerly awaiting part 3^!
    btw puahate is pure comedy gold
    recent taglines : ,,baby momma used annihilation method´´ in a mystery/his witheld daughter/slut ex GF divorceraping-thread

    my favourite about AAron:,, Sleazy scams heterosexuals´´.
    bitter and delusioned people on the net tend not to be stupid and therefore make deluxe-class trolls.

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  10. I've met quite a few russian girls in Miami on biz trips, and by the sound of the roosh crowd, those guys would get eaten alive over there.

    Man I really hope they go!

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  11. I usually like Roosh's writing and his forum.

    However, you're right, that post about Russia is stupid beyond belief and they live in a fantasy land.

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  12. HEY GUYS I had to post this breaking update...

    Leading manosphere PUA admits that game doesn't exist:

    Krauser has come out of the closet and posted a post where he admits that today, at his *peak*, the best results has been able to attain are a 6-7% approach-to-lay ratio. (that to him is cutting edge)

    http://krauserpua.com/2013/01/24/my-years-stats-in-review/

    What's so special about this? Well, the fact that this is the same ratio that people get when they do the "beta, unalpha, no-game approach... as was demonstrated by GLL last year:

    http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2011/12/30/what-if-i-approached-100-hot-chicks-would-i-get-any-pussy-a-closer-look/

    GLL also got 6-7% ratio and effectively disproved game...

    Leading gamers will of course strawman away

    For example the douchebag in question (mr. Krauser) has set up this cute little strawman painting anti-gamers as virgins who are jealous of his big mega-game.

    http://krauserpua.com/2012/12/08/thy-name-is-gamma/

    One problem, most of the leading anti-gamers have laid more chicks, better chicks and with a lot more ease (mostly because they've learned not to bother as much with highly-ineffective venues such as bothering random chicks on the street and have prioritized more effective strategies). Oh, and we we were getting 6-7% daygame ratios before you ever did your first street approach dumbass.

    Another issue is he completely misrepresents the anti-game position:

    -> Anti-gamers SAY that you will get THE SAME success whether you approach or escalate with any of the 56983 game methods, or use NO game methods whatsover.

    THAT is the fundamental claim of anti-game, that your success rate is unaffected by this overly convoluted mental masturbation known as game, it's nothing more than placebo or mental filler. The only major determining factor is how many chicks you escalate, that's it.

    Anti-gamers are NOT telling you to stay at home and not approach chicks, we're just telling you not to bother with the overly convoluted models, lines, strategies and all this worrying about what to say, do, and how to act. Just escalate and if doing streets accept a 93% failure rate. It'll be there no matter what you do.

    -> He MISREPRESENTS anti-gamers as a bunch of negatives who sit around saying you're doomed to celibacy and should stay at home and you can't get laid...

    We don't. In fact we're trying to save you time and stress and energy. Try to get laid as much as you want, just go out and escalate, no need to focus on 3242213 factors that make no difference in the end outcome.

    IF you approach indiscriminately (without waiting for siginals) -> your conversion rate is determined by your looks, REAL status (not perceived as claimed by game) and the VENUE/context in which you do the escalating. It is not determined by any mythical game (or lack thereof), since game doesn't exist.

    For gamers to prove there is such a thing as game they'd have to get significantly better results than no-game... and so far none of them has ever demonstrated such a feat.

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    1. Oh come on face it, you are not representative of the majority of the guys bitching about PUAs. Either they bang two girls a year and claim big success with 0 game or they are in LTR relationships with girls I wouldn't touch with a stick.
      To them, not getting their hair pulled while their girl is taking them doggystyle is being dominant.
      I know these guys, I know their girlfriends. They are pretty happy with their situation and confident about their ability to attract women. If the "10% of the guys bang 80% of the women" stalement is wrong , "5% of the guys bang 10+ women in a year" is closer to the truth.

      Game basically learn how to interact with women, you need to read between the (pick up) lines but that's basically what it is.
      The problem with game is that guys don't digest the material. Mystery is wearing a furry hat ? Furry hat it is !

      The brutal truth is that you will always be in a girl's black, grey or white zone.
      If you are in the black zone it's over, nothing is gonna do shit about it.
      If you are in the white zone, all you have to do is not screw up, "minimal game"
      If you are in the grey zone you need to build attraction, and game can help you gain a shade or two.

      You can find useful material even into Mystery's 7 or 8 steps approach.
      It's not "ok I ll do this and then she will do that and ..." but more like "be friendly, convey status and confidence".

      The big problem here is your definition of "game". Is it making overly complicated schemes to get laid or is it being able to interact with women in a clever way ?
      In the end it's all about how you can digest the material and adjust it to your reality. Don't hate the game, hate the player.

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    2. On top of that, Roosh was already saying in 2008 that game only won't get you laid, that it will only help you to some extent.

      http://www.rooshv.com/game-wont-always-work

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    3. We're not "bitching about PUA", but pointing out why it's a scam. Your ad hominems are nothing but lame. If someone told you he can fly and you say to him, "OK, dude, then let me see how you fly!", then that guy could not defend himself by turning around and telling his critics that they can't fly either. In our case, though, there are quite a few people who "fly", and we point out that the "gurus" are all full of shit.

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    4. "you are not representative of the majority of the guys bitching about PUAs."

      Warning people to not waste their time with a scam is not bitching, it's saving guys from a cult.


      "Either they bang two girls a year and claim big success with 0 game or they are in LTR relationships with girls I wouldn't touch with a stick."

      That's true of 99% of PUA bloggers and 99% of people on PUA forums. Remember I spent 10 years around PUAs, pua gurus and met thousands of PUAs in real life. Most were virgins and I never saw them even get a makeout (despite 10% of them being aproach machines with approaches that lead nowhere, and yes 90% of them didn't ever even approach, they just argued about game online)


      "If the "10% of the guys bang 80% of the women" stalement is wrong , "5% of the guys bang 10+ women in a year" is closer to the truth."

      I do agree with that statement. It is 1-5% of guys who ever get to a 10 lays-a-year ratio.

      "Game basically learn how to interact with women"

      A DISCIPLINE IS DEFINED BY HOW IT DIFFERS FROM OTHER DISCIPLINES. Gamers did not invent "basic interactions with women".

      GAME is UNIQUELY DEFINED by it's CLAIM that you can learn ways of ACTING, TALKING, WALKING and interacting that BOOST and CREATE attraction and CONTROL her responses.

      THIS IS WHAT DEFINES GAME, since this is what's UNIQUE IN GAME.

      "If you are in the grey zone you need to build attraction, and game can help you gain a shade or two."

      THIS HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE of this EVER provided by ANYONE. NO gamer has EVER shown to be able to get significantly higher than 6-7% conversion rate.

      "it will only help you to some extent."
      Unless you're arguing that game increases results non-significantly with grey zone chicks (say 0.25%) - there is no proof it "helps".

      There's no proof it HELPS anywhere to ANY extent with ANYONE. If it did there would be statistical data to demonstrate it. (and no, we can't measure 0.25% reliably, it would have to be significant)

      If you are arguing for a tiny benefit of 0.25% then I would say why the fuck would someone bother with that overcomplicated bullshit for such a tiny increase? Fuck...

      - in 3 years you can build a business...
      - in 3 years you can get to the top of a niche and become popular
      - in 3 years you can build an amazing physique

      or... you can get a 0.25% boost on greyzone chicks? Give me a fucking break... Why would anyone bother with it then? YOU KNOW FULL WELL that game is being sold as giving SIGNIFICANT boosts in attraction that warrant investing time and energy into studying and practicing "game". It PROMISES that it's worth more than working on real money, status, popularity etc...

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    5. Damn Alek, you need to make your blog private I need to read more of your stuff

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    6. Public, not private obviously LOL

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    7. Backing up what Alek says, the guys I've known who get laid in ways that would make PUA's or "gamers" either love them or deny their existence all have one thing in common:

      They only spend effort on women who are as deep into the "white zone" as possible. If a girl even hints that she might, perhaps, possibly, in some conceivable may be in the "gray zone"... she's out. She's disqualified in the true, non-PUA definition of the term. It's all about opportunity-cost.

      Of course, the PUA's would kick and scream about low-hanging fruit, or how "you coulda got her if [insert PUA tactic]" or "you shoulda ploughed." Meanwhile these guys would get laid quicker, easier, with a lot less BS, and with much hotter girls because they didn't have any ego or emotional investment in the "make her like me" PUA/manoshpere game.

      All they cared about was having a fun life with cool girls (or one girl when the right one appears) and plenty of time left over to do cool sh*t like building businesses, learning languages, getting in great shape, or developing new skills.

      -Jack

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    8. "They only spend effort on women who are as deep into the "white zone" as possible. If a girl even hints that she might, perhaps, possibly, in some conceivable may be in the "gray zone"... she's out. "

      From what I have seen too, I completely agree with this. All the guys who I know that do well with women, and do relatively well in other areas of life as well, only go after girls who are very clearly into them.

      I know two guys who chase after maybes as well, but those are guys who literally spend multiple hours practically everyday on women.

      The only thing I feel changes as one gets more experience is that, the girls you earlier thought were maybe girls, you become btter at reading signals and recognize them as "yes" girls.

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    9. @Johnny

      "only go after girls who are very clearly into them."

      I think it's wise to point out TWO THINGS here for the sake of clarification.

      1) This does NOT mean the woman is throwing herself at him FIRST or that he waits for women to enthusiastically beg for his attention before he talks to them or flirts them.

      What this means is that HE KNOWS he has a 99.9% chance of her saying yes if he invites her home BEFORE he asks her to come home. It means if she closes down when he makes a move, he will stop making moves. If escalation is anything but butter-smooth, he won't bother. He doesn't "plough".

      He knows full well some chicks are ignoring him due to being shy or too interested. So he'll talk to them too, but he won't PURSUE THEM or keep trying past feigned disinterest or uncertainty. He only wants to bang chicks who are CERTAIN they want to be banged by him. The key word is "pursue". He doesn't pursue chicks, he merely screens/gives a chance to the woman to admit attraction and he has no tolerance for indecision or games.

      Some of these guys do it through testing and seeing what the woman will put up with. One [now celebrity] natural I know screens chicks using super duper dirty hypersexual jokes and sees how much they can take, chicks who pass his tests, he knows he can just invite back home for sex.

      He uses nothing but humor and eye-contact to screen chicks. HE NEVER ever makes out with chicks before taking them home. He NEVER even so much as fleetingly touches a chick. In other words he's so calibrated he doesn't even have to use kino in order to do screening. He just uses eye-contact and still has a 99% accurate screener/reader.

      And then others use other forms of screening. Some do kino-screening, like GLL and Aaron.

      THE POINT IS, he (the natural) will NOT continue trying with a chick who fails the screning process (a chick who sends mixed messages). Guys who get laid a ton (while having a well rounded life) generally have no tolerance for BS or mixed signals or "plausible deniability" on the part of chicks.


      2) It's wise to point out calibration is gotten from experience (over time you read more maybe girls as yes girls)

      You will have to at the beginning push some chicks too far to get some calibration, it's part of the deal. I wish I was at my natural friend's level and I wish I could screen chicks without even using kino. At my current level however I have to do a lot of agressive kino and use that as a barometer or screening tool. I make chicks "get lost" as a screening process.

      I think creeping some girls out is just part of the calibration process. You will have to spend a period of pushing kino too far on some chicks, before you obtain a level of knowing the exact amount that signals "she's go time".

      I also hope that if I do this enough time I'll reach my friend's level and be able to do it without even using kino at all...

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    10. @Alek - My style differs a bit so maybe my perspective will add something valuable to the discussion.

      I use zero kino, except a handshake when we first meet. I found that kino-ing less resulted in women (who like me) touching me more. I also avoid ever trying to predict a woman's interest level in me until I've asked her out. This means that if I am unsure of whether a woman will say yes to giving her number, or going on a date, I will almost certainly ask for her phone number, or invite her on a date (so long as I am attracted and she hasn't shown any red flags so far). I pretty much do the same thing that I did when I was much more uncalibrated, only nowadays I can see pretty quickly what the end result will be.

      I'm not a fan of waiting until I think she will definitely say yes.

      Why?

      I use asking for her phone number, asking her out on a date, or sometimes even asking her to come home with me as screens.
      Obviously inviting her home requires a bit of tact and social awareness if you don't know the outcome, but the others I've found work very well in all situations, from small gatherings of friends to streets to bars, etc.

      I talk to women, avoid touching them, make them laugh if possible, and ask for their phone number in order to call them for a date. My major filter comes when I ask for the phone number. Some girls are excited and give me their numbers, some girls say no, some girls sit on the fence. All is good no matter what she decides to do.

      For me, it's all about viewing asking for the number, or asking her out, as part of the process of identifying if she is into me; identifying if there is mutual chemistry. I'm not asking her number because I want a phone number in general or hers in particular, I'm asking because I want to find out if she is interested in me enough to give it. I don't want phone numbers of girls who I don't share mutual interest with (read: if she isn't into me, it's done). If she is interested, I've found that they are often excited to give out their numbers (although one will get all variety of responses).

      Of course, use the disqualification process that works best for you. I'm simply providing a different perspective that uses different (not always) screens.

      -Jack

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    11. Jack you must have missed the conversation or lack experience in some way.

      The conversation was about "how do you screen if a chick wants to bang you".

      Asking for a phone number accomplishes no such thing, as women give out numbers like candy to guys they wouldn't bang in a billion years.

      Asking her out on a date also could mean her having one of 10 forms of interest, only one of which is sexual.

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    12. I can see how it looks like that from your perspective. No need to get defensive, we're all just having a fun conversation.

      You're right, my last response was about different methods for screening girls, not necessarily for the goal of screening only "if a chick wants to bang". I apologize if I offended you by talking about "screening women" vs. "screening women for banging only." Perhaps I did miss part of the conversation, as you said.

      If I'm actively looking for quick sex then my screen will be inviting them home (or to the sex location) with me within the first 10 seconds to 10 minutes. (This of course assumes that I have sex logistics in place - my house, a bathroom, a secluded hallway, a car, a parking lot, a stairwell, etc.)

      I've found that being quite direct (verbally) has worked quite efficiently as a screen for me when I'm looking for quick sex. Again, no "kino". Although I'm not looking for quick sex or sex-only relationships much these days so I tend not to do that anymore, (although sometimes it falls into your lap when you talk to enough women).

      It crossed my mind that you might judge the efficiency of screens differently than I do so I'll give you my criteria:

      > I judge efficiency (in terms of "screening if a chick wants to bang") by the ratio of time-invested to lays.

      I understand that some guys judge efficiency in terms of number of women talked to to lays. That's fair. But for me it's irrelevant. I would much rather approach 30 attractive women in one hour and get laid vs. approach 2 attractive women in 2 hours and get laid. To each his own.

      With regards to phone numbers that don't go anywhere -> Yes, I have a number more "wasted" phone numbers from women who don't go anywhere. Fortunately, it takes a similarly short amount of time to get numbers from girls who are DTF as well as girls who are completely uninterested. The time-investment is minimal and if I'm talking to a lot of women who I find attractive, the ones who are DTF make it clear fairly right off the bat.

      If sex is my only goal with a woman and I didn't invite her to have sex when I first met her (read: I got her phone number instead) then I'll call her and either invite her to my house, explicitly for sex, or invite her for coffee or a drink. At coffee or drinks, I'll then invite her back to my place.

      If sex is my only goal, the maximum amount of time I will spend with a woman before I've hit the bottom-line ("does she want to have sex") is 30 minutes to an hour MAX. Although, usually it is about 10 minutes or less. It varies depending on the circumstances.

      Keep in mind I'm not saying this method is best for everyone. There are a million different ways to get lots of sex. Guys gotta find what works best *for them*. I've known guys who use aggressive "kino" or a variety of other screens quite efficiently. It's not better or worse than what I do, just different.

      By the way, I'm also aware that you could attack what I've typed from a number of angles like "Well, that won't work if you are at a small party with friends" or "That won't work if you don't approach a lot of girls" or "That way gets you rejected more than XYZ" or "That won't work for guys who are less-experienced or [insert something else]". You're right, my screens are not the all-encompassing theory of everything with regards to getting laid. I'm simply sharing my experiences, not telling anyone else what to do. I urge guys to test anything they read using their own experience, goals, personality and values as a compass before they believe if it is "good" for them or not.

      -Jack

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    13. Thanks for the clarification Jack. That actually makes a ton of sense. And I wasn't going to make any of the attacks you predicted.

      I never criticize preferences (matter of taste), only when people are lying to self/others.

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  13. thanks novy!
    also they all contradict themselves. Roosh admits he has no chance in developed countries and looks for countries where ,,busted´´ dudes go out with pretty girls and avoids countries with pretty girls and rich/status-men.
    http://www.rooshv.com/the-busted-dudes-test
    lol and tenthousands give up their critical thinking and follow this shit.Hurts the soul seeing ppl sucked up in another cult.

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  14. - That his job cannot be that big was my major point - so congrats.

    I KNOW that was your point, that his job couldn't be that big. MY point was that I never heard anyone ever claim his job WAS that big. I could be wrong and maybe that rumor was flying around, but I always heard it said he was a cubicle jockey.

    But even for a normal ~40 h job his time investment in his online persona is considerable and there have to be drawbacks in other areas of his life (friends, social life, "poon").

    This I totally agree with. But what I was pointing out is that even during the period that we know for sure he was employed, before Lady Raine outed him, he was online just as much, posting and commenting all day, even the weekend. That's why I think his current post frequency isn't a sign that he's unemployed necessarily. Alek Novy said he had it on good authority that Roissy doesn't get laid a lot and stays in long term relationships, and Blackpill had a post where one of Roissy's old blogger friends said the same thing, so I'm thinking that may be why he was online so much, even when he was definitely employed. That and his job is lax and unimportant enough that he can goof off a ton and still not fall behind on his workload.

    He had it coming.

    No disagreement there.

    1. I'm not "spreading" anything.

    Roosh Exposed said earlier in the comments that he got fired like it was a confirmed fact. That's "spreading" the idea that he got fired.

    2. I don't need hardcore proof. Just common sense.

    All I did was ask if there was confirmed proof of his firing. Your common sense rationales for why he must have gotten fired still have alternative explanations. You cite his post frequency as proof, but he always posted that frequently, even during the time we know for sure he was employed. I personally think he's just lying about how much poon he gets and how much socializing he does.

    3. If you are a cult member of Roissy, and it very much sounds like that, this is not a happy place for you.

    Considering I'm the anonymous commenter above who told Aaron he needs to spend more time bashing Roissy because he's even worse than Roosh, rest assured I'm not one of his cult members. It's just that there are so many existing reasons to bash him based on his writing and on known real-life details about him that are confirmed that there's simply no need to throw unconfirmed things into the mix.

    I'm not defending him or attacking anyone here. I just want proof before I start believing and repeating something. Maybe he is fired. I just want to know if anyone has confirmation.

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    1. "I just want to know if anyone has confirmation."

      Who cares.

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    2. The ONLY reason I care is because if we spread something that wasn't verified in any shape or form as gospel, I could see those manosphere bums using that to discredit anti-PUA people by painting us as blatant liars and desperate rumor-mongers. If it turns out not to be true, my worry is they start saying "See? Anti-PUA people are so agenda-driven and out to smear everyone in the manosphere that they're willing to make up lies about us if necessary." I just don't want to give them that ammunition against us.

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  15. First, anonymous, let me say we agree on a lot. But, I never said that Roissy is unemployed - if you reread my post you'll see me saying "I can't offer proof". I said I wouldn't be surprised if he was unemployed, considering his time investment. I hope this clears it up.
    On the other hand if Roissy is employed his considerable time investment is weirder than if he were under- or unemployed.

    Shackleford:
    As you point out, he paints a picture of an "alpha" with lots of friends, easy access to pussy, lots of riches and all the societal insights and answers there are. This projection of a successfull person to the outside world via his blog is IMHO a huge part of his success, what appeals to his readership. This "alpha", who he supposedly is, but IMHO, considering his time investment, he can not be.

    Contrary to that his time investment paints me a picture of a pretty lonely dude whithout much to do, hardly any friends or hobbies.
    If you want to see a blog of someone who is employed, has hobbies, friends and a wife, look at this blog and the output you find here.

    So in closing it seems to me Roissy is just another PUA guru who values style over substance. There are plenty of those around: GManifesto, that other guy who said he spoke to two women in two months (and was proud of it!), Roosh who thinks he has mad game which in his mind trumps a Ph.D. etc. Taking the alpha persona away from Roissy, deflating him, by telling that what he's telling can't be right, means in a way destroying him.

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    1. First, anonymous, let me say we agree on a lot. But, I never said that Roissy is unemployed - if you reread my post you'll see me saying "I can't offer proof". I said I wouldn't be surprised if he was unemployed, considering his time investment. I hope this clears it up.

      Yes, it does. Keep in mind I was responding to both you and "Roosh Exposed." I didn't always make clear when I was responding to one of his claims and when I was responding to one of yours. He was the one who was saying Roissy was definitely unemployed and hasn't found work since.

      On the other hand if Roissy is employed his considerable time investment is weirder than if he were under- or unemployed.

      I totally agree.

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    2. "First, anonymous, let me say we agree on a lot. But, I never said that Roissy is unemployed - if you reread my post you'll see me saying "I can't offer proof". I said I wouldn't be surprised if he was unemployed, considering his time investment. I hope this clears it up.
      On the other hand if Roissy is employed his considerable time investment is weirder than if he were under- or unemployed."

      I know that back when the Lady Raine/Denise Romano Cagney and Lacey Private Detective work went down he became unemployed because several times during the work week myself and a number of commenters who I knew either personally or via the net were posting comments ALL day at one point between the 10 of us and he was promptly deleting and banning them.

      The comments were on that thread about Black men. Any comment that even remotely suggested that Black men are humans with the full emotional range of human beings was deleted, ESPECIALLY if the comment was from a poster with a female sounding name.

      Classical Freudian Penis Envy at its most enraged.

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  16. Slightly off topic, but have you seen Krauser's latest gem:

    http://krauserpua.com/2013/03/24/setting-the-frame-in-skype-sex-chat/

    I couldn't help but laugh, feel embarrassed and shake my head at the same time. PUAs, lol...

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  17. ysv_rao,
    "My thoughts exactly, but about Putin. (Obama is sub-beta. He has publicly wrestled with his racial identity, his behavior is dictated by third-hand ideology and his dreadnought amazon of a wife [whose "strength" and physical size reinforces said ideology]"

    "Size" of his wife? Michelle Obama is physically fit, has a good hour glass figure and is shorter than her husband. She in no way dwarfs him.

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  18. Latest manosphere stupidity:

    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/straw-game/

    http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-21959.html

    Sleazy, you said you wanted examples of Roissy stupidity. There you go. But even better is when he tries to combine pickup with political analysis, or just does political analysis in general. The absolute best though is when he ventures into analyzing studies.

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    1. Thanks for those links! To be honest, I can't read his "scientific" analyses. Every time I try, I quickly end up asking myself whether he's trolling or really as stupid as he seems to be.

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    2. Aaron, what I linked is FAR from his worst, but I figured since you find him hard to read I needed to break you in slowly with one of his stupid game-related posts, then as you build bullshit tolerance, work you up to his political analysis, and then finally, when you've really built up tolerance, the gold standard of Roissy stupidity: the scientific study analysis.

      Here's another stupid one from one of Roissy's blogging buddies, considered one of the "smarter" manosphere guys:
      http://glpiggy.net/2012/01/22/newt-method/

      That guy is pretty dumb too.

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  19. Aaron, since you have already exposed Roosh could you please take a look at Heartiste (aka Roissy )? It´s so much mental mastubation my eyes hurt.
    Rightfully , Roosh gets bashed alot ,but the original father of ,,thought´´ gets away with it.
    I no SINGLE blog have I seen him exposed. People follow him like sheeple.
    AAron time take out the guns to bullshitter-hunt!
    (If you have no time for this I volunteer to write an article you can modify afterwards )
    Best Regards Tommy

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    1. Hi Tommy,

      I could need some help with Roissy since his articles make my eyes bleed. If you've got the time, I'd appreciate if you sent me an article, or just a collection of your finds. Please use this link to contact me:
      http://www.aaronsleazy.com/cms/aaron-sleazy-email-feedback

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    2. I feel like Roissy gets a pass because he's a one trick pony who has run out of material. I read his "16 Commandments of Poon" post that all that manosphere guys worship, and a lot of it is pretty ho hum stuff. Most of it is only relevant if you are in a long-term relationship, and even then, that advice is negated by the benefits of having actual status, rather than faking it.

      Also, it's very subtle, but noticeable that Roissy has distanced himself from game methods as well. He has scrubbed out a lot of alpha/beta language that he relied on so heavily earlier on. He talks much less of specific lines and routines. He's a long term relationship blogger, and I'm beginning to suspect that he always was even in his early days, it was just shielded by the frothing language. Like I said many many moons ago, you take away the racial/sociological rantings and there isn't much there.

      He still writes plenty of stories with banal, contrived dialogue where he always has a "witty" retort to say to his dates, however, so there's that.

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  20. What is this "married game" nonsense?

    From a comment over at Return of Jokers;

    Ian Ironwood

    I respectfully disagree.

    Well, not with your list of signs your relationship is doomed – spot on. But as far as the idea that there is no possible way a man can find happiness in a long term relationship or (whisper it) marriage, that is incorrect. I’m not denying that it is a rare and special thing, and that it is hard as hell to do, and that it requires a significant effort to do so and not slide into the SWPL Betaized version, but . . . it can and does happen.

    Indeed, for you youngsters, there is a whole Red Pill world of Married Game. It was started by Athol Kay, of Married Man Sex Life, and it is likely the most comprehensive look at the realities of male/female mating I’ve ever seen. And I’m a sex nerd. Even if you do not plan on getting married, you should read it – it will help your Game.

    Think of Married Game as Advanced Game. Learning how to bed a girl — just about any girl — takes skill and knowledge of Game. The crimson art of seduction is essential to a good masculine values. But as nuanced in approach as our distinguished vaginologists are, the skill-set necessary to successfully enjoy a bountiful long-term relationship with the same woman is more complex and requires deeper study.

    It also requires a woman worthy of the attempt. First rule of Married Game: find the right woman. Then vet the hell out of her. That’s hard, I’ll be the first to admit – a lot of dudes will have better luck with foreign brides. But if you’re a Wolf Alpha, a man who’s “own way” includes the stability of a family and a wife instead of a harem, then finding the right woman is essential. And it can be done. It has been done. Like Game, Married Game is a learnable skill, and is a logical extension of Single Game.

    The good news, gentlemen, is our sperm is viable until we’re 70. So go notch-it-up for your first decade without training wheels — go ahead. All those notches? Those are warning signs to the Wolfs among you that the woman is a risk. We appreciate that. When you get around 30 and start reconsidering a family, then you can add a Wife Selection routine to your Game and begin the process. Take your time. Do it right.

    And be willing — nay, eager — to walk the fuck away when any three of the warning signs in this post happen. And “disrespectful” counts for two — we don’t need to put up with that shit, Gentlemen. Ever.

    Good hunting. We old married guys are rooting for you.

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  21. Hi guys, may I ask all of you for a VERY important favor important to all of us?

    Look at this dork:
    http://theantifeminist.com/london-pua-gets-russian-girls-number-within-50-seconds-video/#comments

    Yes, he's proactively wetting his pants about seeing someone get a phone number. Would some of you please educate him why he should stop wetting his pants and this isn't some magical airy fairy accomplishment?

    The reason I ask is because dangerous moron is going around website proclaiming himself to be an "MRA", and he also says that he wants to lower the age of consent because it's "unfair to men".

    This person is either a fake persona created by feminists to make men's rights look bad, or an actual imbecile. In any case, would please any of you inform him about the phone numbers myth. Thank you.

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    1. Wow, thats just sad. Does getting a phone number mean anything anymore?
      Before the advent of mass communication technology, it was much harder to get a girls phone number as it due to the absence of caller ids, women living and sharing landlines with roommates/parents etc, they would screen the men who they would give numbers to very carefully.

      I support a lot of things about the MRA particularly the cruelty meted out to fathers in the divorce industrial complex and the child abuse that constitute sons being raised by single mother and female teachers who ban recess,toy guns and medicate them.
      However there are too many in there who are into "freedom porn" and abdication from any responsibility whatsoever ie overgrown children.
      It is a real danger they would wreck the movement the same way Occupy Wall Street(whose agitations of the corporate-political nexus were sound) got quickly hijacked by leftist anarchists and nihilists.

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  22. Alex & Sleazy, check this out: there are even guys out there performing "Hopeless Game" (sic !) and offering to teach it to other credulous unfortunates! How pathetic and miserable! Unattractive and utterly unsocial men molesting women in socially "cold" situations… unbelieveable!

    http://theantifeminist.com/schopenbecq-pua-a-new-direction-for-the-antifeminist-com/

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    1. Nice April fools post. Thanks for pointing this out!

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    2. I think Marco-Polo is being sarcastic. I get that the idea now is that we over here are "white knights" who worry about "protecting women from creepy men".

      I think that's their latest cognitive distortion, but I might be wrong, I don't have time to read game-believer stuff.

      (For the record, anti-gamers are passionate about trying to rescue and protect men, not women, by saving you time, energy, effort and life-vitality not wasted on a placebo scam)

      Look at this naive fella:

      "And how come Krauser PUA started off with the ability to walk up to girls and chat them up, yet didn’t get anywhere near banging any for months, and yet can now get a SDL or next day bang nearly every time he goes out hitting on women in the street?"

      For the same reason I made thousands of approaches that got nowhere myself when I was a newbie community dude, it's called self-deception.

      I managed to do thousands of approaches where (because of game brainwashing) I was focusing on and thinking about 273921 different factors EXCEPT the ONE that makes the difference, it's called escalation. But I somehow blanked it out of my mind, and I had a "recollection" of "doing thousands of approaches that led nowhere despite me doing everything I could" ---> Yeah, but I was focusing on 23423 "game" factors, and not on ACTUALLY making a MOVE.

      In other words, if Krauser made a 1000 approaches without getting a phone number it's BECAUSE HE DIDNT ASK FOR IT.

      If Krauser went on a 100 dates that didn't end in sex, ITS BECAUSE HE NEVER MADE A MOVE for sex.

      This is the most damaging part of game. You're so focused on overanalyzing and overthinking every action, word you/her say, you forget that a) it's a numbers game b) if you simply make the move the same 7%* will end up with you horizontal... SIMPLE.

      That's how "game progression works". Game is nothing but hyper-convoluted way to mask the pain of rejection. If it doesn't work out, it was that you didn't use the proper "game" rather than admitting she doesn't like YOU. But overtime through sheer persistance and banging your head on the wall, eventually you DO make more and more and more moves and more consistently, but instead of crediting your ESCALATION for the increased number of lays, you credit "the game".

      Here's the point, this is why I always SPECIFICALLY say and make sure to put in brackets (provided 100%) escalation. Game can be shown not to exist because nobody can get more lays on a per-escalation basis. GLL demonstrated this well where he simply escalated hundreds of chicks in a very "beta" way, but got the same results as Krauser. As long as you ASK (no matter how you do the asking) the same women will say yes. So fucking stop studying hyper-convoluted complex ways of asking, and just learn to ask more often, simple.


      *-Or whatever the realistic percentage is for your looks & age vs that of the women you're targetting...

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    3. Another way to explain is that it's exactly like weightloss and calories. ("game" methods are just like fad diets)

      - The exact same false-positives, self-deception and cognitive biases exist in game as in weightloss vs. fad diets

      - For example people will swear they had "tried eating less", but it "didn't work", but if you actually test these subjects you will find that they're EATING MORE than they think they are, or only ate less for a week, then gave up (while tricking themselves into believing that week was a few months).

      - Other people will swear the had tried "every diet" until they stumbled onto a magic diet that makes them lose weight "despite eating more", but IF you study and test these subjects you find out they're DELUDED and self-deceptive (they actually eat LESS calories, they just don't know it).


      -> WHEN a game method causes more lays (and that's very rarely) it works by tricking the subject into performing more escalations and falsely attributing the success to one of the 323 filler/placebo/fluff changes

      -> WHEN a fad-diet causes weightloss (and that's very rarely) it does so by tricking the subject into eating less calories and falsely attributing the success to one of the 323 filler/placebo/fluff changes

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    4. Alek, 1.) I must disagree with fad diets. Sometimes they do work because they make low carb intake less tiring. This is hardly a placebo effect in high protein/complex carb diets. They are fast, you feel full, you loose fat. 2.) Everybody knows that getting any and every hot girl is just a fantasy. What everyone wants to know is how to get as many as they can without relying on luck, but on skill. Average joe wants to know how to find intrested girls, how to consistently brak the ice, how to relax himself and be sharp in those kind of situations, how to not run out of things to say, how to escalate and arouse women.This knowledge is what game is and it makes huge difference between getting by accident that 1 of 100 from the pool of intrested girls and getting 700% more on them consistently. Denying the fact that learning social skills in context of courtship is a waste of time is just throwing out babies with the bath water for sake of arguing with retards about things that nobody takes seriously anyway.

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    5. @ Alek & Sleazy: Yes, I was being slightly sarcastic and of course pointing out that April's fool post was done cum grano salis. Alek I do share your views and analysis on this (and on much more) to the detail. Thanks for your vitriolic sense of clarity!

      @ Anonymous: Yes, John Q. Public wants to know about all those aspects in detail. And there are a few steps that he can actually take to improve himself in those fundamental areas. But the point still is and remains: game DOES NOT EXIST. Because mate selection conciously or subconciously depends entirely on the woman, he can never be sure to get that special girl. But he can improve his statistic ration of girls that will find him hot, so that he can successfully hit on them and escalate until the rituals of sexual merging take place. ;)

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    6. @Anonymous

      You SERIOUSLY lack reading skills because FOR example, you said you DISAGREE with me, and then proceeded to say the EXACT SAME thing I say, which shows either stupidity or lack of reading ability.

      "Sometimes they do work because they make low carb intake less tiring. This is hardly a placebo effect in high protein/complex carb diets. They are fast, you feel full, you loose fat."

      DUDE THAT IS what I'm saying. Do you GET IT?

      I use the high-protein/complex-carb diet myself as I've found it to be superior for my own needs. OF COURSE one diet has advantages over another OF COURSE.

      HOWEVER, you COMPLETELY misread what I WAS saying. WHAT I AM saying is that the number of pounds you lose is mathematically determined by the number of calories in deficit you are, regardless of where the calories come from.

      In other words, if you lose more on one diet than another, it's simply because it better supresses appetite for YOU, not because it has some magical "fat-burning" abilities.

      DO YOU GET MY SUBTLE POINT NOW? Do I need to explain s-l-o-w-e-r?

      Same thing with mating and escalation

      Escalation is to mating what caloric deficit is to weightloss

      --> If you get MORE lays with one "game" method than another, it's SIMPLY because that method made you more confident about performing more escalations (whether you realize it or not conciously)

      -----> or alternatively as some studies suggest, you subconciously learn to better predict which "targets" are more likely to result in a successful outcome. So it's your "target selection" that becomes subconsciously better over time. You become better drawn to the types of women who are likely to be attracted to you. So that's also a factor in increased success ratio, but NOT any fictional ability to "change" or "create" attraction as game would sell you.

      --> Just like when if you lose more weight on one diet than another, it's simply because it caused you to eat less calories overall (whether you realize it or not conciously).

      AnonyShill... YOU BLURT OUT THE FOLLOWING:
      "Average joe wants to know how to find intrested girls, how to consistently brak the ice, how to relax himself and be sharp in those kind of situations, how to not run out of things to say, how to escalate and arouse women.This knowledge is what game is."

      A DISCIPLINE is defined by how it DIFFERS FROM other disciplines NOT BY what it has in COMMON WITH THEM.

      IF... (for example) both gamers and anti-gamers tell you to join a gym, then "going to the gym" can NOT be a defining criteria of game.

      Do
      You
      Understand?

      Is this point too subtle for your subtlety-challenged brain to comprehend? Do you get that GAME CAN ONLY claim to be those things that are its UNIQUE defining characteristics? Do I need to explain this point even s--l--o--w--e--r for you to GET IT?

      Reading signs of interest, knowing how to make sexual moves (and all those things you list) are TAUGHT by anti-gamers, mainstream dating coaches, feminists, anti-feminists, atheists, religious zealots etc etc, SO THEY CAN NOT (by definition) be the defining characteristics of game. DO YOU GET IT!?!?!?!?!?

      Game is DEFINED by what it has as UNIQUE claims. And the UNIQUE claim of game is that you can "CREATE" attraction where none existed before by using all these hundreds of elaborate interaction factors. THIS IS what we're warning guys against.

      And no, game is not taking a shower, joining a gym, and reading signs of interest. Stop trying to obfuscate the SCAM that is game by pointing to the little bits of sanity and common sense that can be found buried in some of their books. YOU KNOW full well this is NOT what makes, defines or sells game to its victims and prey.

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    7. "Mate selection depends ENTIRELY on the woman.."

      Wow, "entirely". Could have sworn yesterday I turned down that ugly girl who was talking to me. But since I have NO input on who I mate with, I guess I was wrong. Good to know that ANY girl who wants me can have me, since mate selection is ENTIRELY dependent on the woman.

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    8. John, he might have overstated the point, but the scientific evidence is that men only choose from a pool of women who have chosen them.

      Make sense? In other words, you can pick from the women who have chosen you... But it doesn't work the other way around. A woman doesn't pick from the men who have chosen her. She chooses men, and then goes with whichever one of those men acts first on her interest.

      It's kind of a subtle but important point.

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    9. English in not my native language so the last time I passed on writing long elaborates (from my cell phone) about diets and pick-up but I guess I need to do so this time 'cause you're wrong.

      This sentence:

      "WHAT I AM saying is that the number of pounds you lose is mathematically determined by the number of calories in deficit you are, regardless of where the calories come from.

      In other words, if you lose more on one diet than another, it's simply because it better supresses appetite for YOU, not because it has some magical "fat-burning" abilities."

      ...is only partialy true because you messed up few things. Truth: appetite supressing abilities of some fad diets; False: "In other words, if you lose more on one diet than another, it's simply because it better supresses appetite for YOU, not because it has some magical "fat-burning" abilities."

      Why this is not true? Because source of calories from food (and we are talking about diets) is directly corelated with fat losing effect, cause you can alter your stress hormone levels through food and set metabolism to higher production of ie. testosterone, igf-1, gh, dhea and create higher insuline sensivity which alows body to use stored fat as a source of energy and more effectively use carbs from food. For example proteins are not just filler, because 1.) They are difficult for body to digest thus body must up its metabolism 2.) High amino acid profile of this diet is corelated to hormonal response setting your body to "I am safe" mode, which help rebuilding muscles which in turn burn more fat. You can also add to your diet other igredients that are boosting metabolism through other means i.e. garlic lowering antibodies present in inflamatory states thus lowering "stress" response and again allowing body to use calories from food and stored fat more effectively. There is plenty of such examples. You want proof? You have lots of studies on ergo-log site, and that site is legit.

      And the general problem is not me not being able to understand what I read, but maybe you not being able to understand what you wrote yourself. This statement:

      "number of pounds you lose is mathematically determined by the number of calories in deficit you are, regardless of where the calories come from"

      is not at all equal to:

      "In other words, if you lose more on one diet than another, it's simply because it better supresses appetite for YOU, not because it has some magical "fat-burning" abilities."

      because as you pointed out it is "determined by the number of calories in deficit you are, regardless of where the calories come from", and this does not mean "regardles of source of calories from food". I hope this is clear now and you stop propagating misinformation for sake of having a good analogy for PUA scam. If it is not clear I will explain this in more detail.

      You are also wrong about propper understanding of this following statement:

      "A DISCIPLINE is defined by how it DIFFERS FROM other disciplines NOT BY what it has in COMMON WITH THEM."

      Have you ever heard about syntetic scientific disciplines? You should because sociobiology of human species is exacly that (E.O. Wilson - father of sociobiology - says that evolutionary psychology is just different name for it cause of bad reception of those ideas in 70's and 80's. This discipline is using results from biology, sociology, ethology, anthropology, zoology, archaeology, population genetics, behavioral ecology to find out about human social and interpersonal behavior and it is a separate but syntetic discipline) and you have plenty studies from it on your seductionmyth site.

      Thus pick-up propagated by PUA which is also drawing form other disciplines in order to find answers on "how to get more sex" is also syntetic dyscipline differing from others by its objective.

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    10. I will cause some controversy here, but I think it is possible to create short living emotion of sexual attraction in women through calculated baheviour that is not representative of real reproductional value. Sexual deception is as old as sex, and tactics of deception and couter-deception are evolving constantly also in our species in present day (ie. gamers and anti gamers) thus fakery is present, it must work sometimes and it will be. Lets think about it for a second - everyone of us knows instinctively that our brain is our peacocks tale just as bright as our body is. When you see hot women you unconsciously not only groom yourself and pose to look better but also you are trying to be witty, funny and charming. Geoffrey Miller sheds a light on those common intuintions about what is attractive and says in "The Mating Mind" this is because behaviour is much more telling about our real (evolutionary) fittness level than our bodies are because - in comparison - much more genes are involved in creating the most complex thing we know in entire in universe (brain) thus checking out products of a brain you can better test "genetic material" of its owner so to speak. But that opens door for deception through behaviour which is also part of matting intelligence definitions (look: Glenn Geher paper "Mating Intelligence: Sex, Relationships, and the Mind's Reproductive System"). This leads to PUAs obsession about voice tone, rythm vocabulary, being witty, funny or being able to tell stories in captivating manner. All those things - as evolution 'wants it" - should be done in person and in real time performances. PUAs through rehersals are trying to cheat the system by performing "as if", however rarely can hold the act under the pressureand it takes a lot of time to master(bare in mind that in short term matting, content of words matters much less than performance because it is easy to lie - not that easy to be witty). PUAs also try to show off some kind of unique perfomance skills while being "in the field"(hence magic tricks short circuting dummies)[For more info about performance of artistic and related skills in relation to sexual selection check out Denis Dutton - The Art Instinct.] Heck, even smooth "KINO" may be sign of preselection/expirience and power of mind - sexual prowess is fitness indicator in itself according to Geoffrey Miller, and knowing how to turn girl on is just as much matter of intelligence as it is matter of having decent body.

      Saying all that I must defend myself right now - I am not some PUA shill, and I am against such practices since there are more effective and ethical ways to go about it for most guys (you Alek often talk about those), and - what is equaly important - most of what PUA offers is in 95% cases untested and fake advice often being sold for big buck to the lost men. Those 5% of working techniques(I got that number out of ass but it is probably close to that judging by sucess of guys who devoted life to do this) is so counterproductive and time wasting (due to strong counter-deception unconscious responses from women and time needed to master them) that you would be silly to take them as a "magic pills" just to get that 1 on a 100 more (which will leave pissed off as soon as you become yourself again).

      This does not mean I say that people should stop working on being social and growing balls in order to have sex. I say that trying to pua-game unintrested women with belief of attracting them consistently is plain stupid judging from effort to result ratio - there is enough hot leads to get female company without fakery.


      PS

      I like your posts Alek, but don't be such a douche to people, having different opinion.

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    11. BTW to be clear: In my last post I was debating non existence of the game defined by you as a way to create sexual attraction. I belive this type of game exists but it is a waste of time.

      In my first post I was talking about game that is not aiming to create sexual attraction but acting on existing one when you are not trying to spin your wheels to much. Apparently for you this is not a game, but for me it is because I never saw in any mainstream dating advice somene saying how to for example:

      1.) Select venues that match your goals and improving chances on them(ie. getting laid fast on raves);

      2.) How to recognize girls that may match your goals (ie. for SNL)

      3.) How to relax yourself before and during approach lowering your levels of anxiety

      4.) How to find out if shes available (and meets your goals ie. for the night - I will speak about SNL examples only from this point)

      5.) What she needs in order to get out from club and go to your house with you without losing her face (some grasp of female psychology and group psychology)

      6.) What to say (or rather what not to say) during that time and how to keep her horny till she arrives at your bed.

      7.) How to handle situations after sex to your advantage (ie. keeping her as a fuckbuddy)

      This game I believe is real, and there is a lot info unique to it.

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    12. "A woman doesn't pick from the men who have chosen her. She chooses men, and then goes with whichever one of those men acts first on her interest."

      Many of the men a woman chooses will have no interest in her (such as the ugly girl talking to me). A woman can show interest in many men who have zero interest in her. A woman can choose many men, but she can only pick from among the men who have chosen her, as well.


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  23. It looks Roosh is going mainstream Sleazy, he has been on tv more then ever. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years he will get a show and even surpass Mystery

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2INybBpXkM

    ^^Roosh is blowing up, at least he shows his face unlike that coward Heartise

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    1. Speaking of Mystery, who in the mainstream still remembers him? He has got his 15 minutes of fame, and Roosh may get his. However, I highly doubt he'll go beyond that.

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    2. Roosh on TV??? Featured in an talkshow event? (albeit on Ukrainian TV)
      This is absolutely hilarious! Absolutely fuckin' hilarious! ;)))

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  24. Hey Sleaz ,
    It´s Tommy. I´m doing some research on Roissy for you. 3 Pages of word files already. The state of affairs is that he is really fucked up psychologically.
    Like, really really fucked up in his worldview, thinking , behaviour not in the sense of pua-fucked up. A psychology studend could write an deep article on this and he would be crushed. All his blogging career.
    I´m looking forward to finish this in a month , since I can only spend a couple of hours in a week on this bastard. Spare your time checking his blog out AAron , you would appreaciate what I have for you.
    Imagine what effect your article on him would have, a brickshitting-storm in the manosphere (not to mention the traffic).
    BULLSHIT WILL DIE!!!

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    1. I'm looking forward to your files. Thanks a lot!

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  25. 6-4-1213.The food supply is low , I am dehydrated and weakened. It´s been three weeks since the last manosphere post. Aaron promised to make a third , so I am not giving up hope...

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