Wednesday, August 3, 2016

Female Attention Seeking Behavior vs Suitability for a Relationship

In the current Open Thread, I was asked the following:
Hey Aaron, this is possibly a stupid question, but I wanted to ask. What are your thoughts on women with tattoos being relationship material?  
Several guys, at least in America, think that women with ink are automatically out of the running for anything long-term, or say that if she only has a couple that are small or trendy, it's fine. I'm usually quite fond of girls with tattoos (as long as they're well done), but I don't have as much experience as you do, so I thought I'd get your perspective. 
Do you think tattooed women are unfit to marry or keep as a longterm girlfriend?
Tattoos itself are not necessarily the issue. Instead, ask yourself why women get tattoos, and you will have your answer. In short, women get tattoos in order to send a particular message to their environment. In that regard, it does not really matter how many tattoos she has or how big they are. In fact, I am tempted to say that a middle-class woman with a small "trendy" tattoo located where only her sexual partners can see it is easily as bad as some low-class woman with a tattoo covering most of her body.


In general, tattoos are a very easy means for getting attention, male attention that is. As any guy with sexual experience can probably tell you, a woman with tattoos is likely to be less stable, more outgoing and probably better in the sack than a woman who did not get inked. Let's just keep things simple and state that a woman with tattoos is likely to be crazier than one without.

At the very least, tattoos indicate very poor planning. This is particularly true for women who chose a "trendy" motif. Think about it: Making a permanent change in order to follow a temporary trend is incredibly stupid. OK, your chick has picked something timeless you say. Well, buddy, may I remind you that women age, and that in particular their skin may age a lot faster than male skin. This leads to two problems: First, the tattoo will eventually look washed out as she gets older. This is of course wonderful symbolism since nothing spells washed-up whore like a bunch of washed out tattoos. Second, as her skin changes, her tattoo will look a lot worse. A tattoo that may look good, arousing even, on a skinny 20 year-old with firm skin won't look that great once she is closer to 30. (For guys, this is hardly an issue, by the way, simply because our skin is different.)

Go ahead and fuck women with tattoos all you want. However, tattoos send all the wrong signals for any kind of serious relationship. In fact, if you told me about your sweetheart's tattoos, I would assume that you are a guy with low standards, are desperate, or prone to making poor decisions. If the latter is the case, then I wish you all the best. However, that kind of commonality between man and woman is not the best foundation for a relationship.

Finally, let me address an objection I have heard quite a few times when discussing this issue in real life, namely that if I categorically excluded all women with tattoos from consideration for a serious relationship, I'd exclude a very large number of women. One guy tried twisting my words and had a gleeful smile on his face before triumphantly concluding something along the lines of, "So, if you are right, then you are saying that a very large number of women is unfit for having a serious relationship with." I just looked at him and said, "Yes, that's precisely what I'm saying!" He didn't get it, and probably still doesn't.

What do you think? Let me know in the comments below!

(Also, if you’ve got a comment that is off-topic or only tangentially related to this article, then please post in the most recent Open Thread. Thank you.)

46 comments:

  1. What about those who cut themselfs? (She told me she was 14 when she did it)

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    1. Bad sign; avoid. Instead of trying to find justifications for getting involved with a particular woman despite obvious character flaws, change your perspective and try finding reasons why you should not just pump and dump her, or not simply ignore her, depending on how much of a player you are.

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  2. aaron sleazy -- spittin the truth like fiyah my brotha =)

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  3. Hey Aaron, original poster here.

    Thank you for taking the time to answer my question, it's much appreciated! Good insight.

    Just wanted to say a couple things as well:

    1. I completely agree with your last remark that most women are unfit for a relationship, anyone who makes an objection to that idea is naive. I was just wondering how much tattoos had to do with that, especially since I am biased towards thinking tattooed girls are hot which can cloud my judgement when selecting a long term mate. I'm in my early 20s, so I'd rather know from a guy who's been there and done that.

    2. Small detail, but I don't have a sweetheart haha. The reason I mention this is it might clarify where I'm coming from. I've dated girls with tattoos and without them. However, both sets of them were pretty crazy, so I couldn't really find a correlation but I figured a guy with more numbers would be able to see a clearer pattern (so thank you again).

    I also grew up listening to rock and rap music, being really into those cultures makes you see a lot of tattoos and think favorably towards them.

    This brings me to ask though, how do tattoos play in for men in society? Does it limit what women they can date, or limit how far ahead they can get in life? Does it depend? Or is it just that rich men with tattoos are acceptable because they are rich, anyone else is automatically lower with them?

    I don't have any since I am still bulking up, but have considered getting them. But then again every young person thinks of stupid shit that's not worth doing, the thing is do they have the ability to listen to opposing ideas and know that it might not be worth doing.







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    1. 1) Just because a woman turns you on doesn't mean that you should marry her. But go ahead and fuck around all you want because you'll be better off having first-hand experience instead of looking for answers online.

      2) The fact that women with tattoos tend to be crazy does not imply that women without tattoos are not crazy.

      3) Tattoos for men are attractive to some women since they signal that you don't give a fuck. Now, the question whether tattoos are favorable for you or not depends whether you need to give a fuck. Sure, getting inked will make you more appealing to some women, but if you are a regular dude you probably don't want to give Eugene who does the first-round interview at BigCorp a reason to ding you.

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  4. What about former strippers, escorts, and porn stars? Then again, if what you say is true, most of these women are inked and crazy. Guys that enter into a relationship with tatted women seem to get cheated on or divorced. Can the same be said of men?

    What the hell is a guy supposed to look for in a long-term partner, especially one he may start a family with? Has this been covered before?

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    1. Stripper, escorts, porn "stars" and cam whores all have higher than average sex drive and need for male attention. Thus, they are a very bad choice.

      I've been working on a book on relationships, which will cover this issue comprehensively. I do share some thoughts on that topic in Minimal Game as well, though.

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    2. In this reply you do connect a higher than average female sex drive with female attention seeking. According to my experience this is absolutely correct. Unfortunately (and contrary to the male porn sex phantasy) the female sex drive is not at all motivated by the need for sexual fulfillment as such. At least not at all primarily. Instead it is motivated by the (biological need) for a resourceful male that can be utilized in whichever way she deems to be necessary at the respective moment in time.

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  5. A lot of women would be pissed off by this post, claiming you don't appreciate art or something of that nature. Someone wrote something very similar on the now defunct Xanga site Datingish a few years ago and got flamed in every direction.

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    1. Well, the pussy cartel needs to control the market. Having guys post on how messed up many women are isn't good for their business model.

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    2. Just to add to the "high sex drive" aspect: while this certainly poses a serious problem to the average male, this can in fact be addressed and successfully dealt with to a large extent, by going "Pierre Woodman"-style on those women, i. e. totaly sexually opening them up by creating simultaneous vaginal, clitoral AND anal orgasms = completely frying their mind. If done successfully, this will — apart from fully submitting her to you — also fire you up to such a level of sexual energy, that you definitely have the impetus and ability to sexually "ravage" her completely. So this is possible, even getting close to such a state is already very powerful and will yield spectacular responses, which will further differentiate you from all other males she's previously encountered.

      But there are some downsides to this as well:
      a) despite her giving off a high sex drive vibe... if she's somehow stuck up, inhibited or defensive at her core personality, she wouldn't wanna give up that sexual power over you as a man, and thus might accuse you posthumously of having raped her, even if you clearly haven't objectively done so.

      b) already after the first earth-shattering experience with you her ultra-possesive nature might kick in and she might wish to already completely want to keep you for herself, become pressing, nagging and highly controlling. From this point then it also does take some delicate skills to weasle yourself out of clutches unharmed, since she might not easily want to let go of a male whom she will consider her "rightful property".

      So, even if you muster yourself up to be at par with her sexually, on the long run it may get you into some nasty trouble, particularly in this day & age of Western feminist laws & jurisdiction...

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  6. Reality, of course, is quite a bit more nuanced than this and only your own reference experience can guide you through a sea of worthless (tatooed or not) women to find a nice girl to settle down with (for a while perhaps). It's too easy to recount personal experience that shows otherwise, but what I would like say here, is that we should be more opened when we are in the process of gaining experience.

    On the subject of high sex drive girls, it's true that many of them are entirely not suitable for a long term monogamous relationship. Yet I have met a couple of them who later happily settled down with a guy that can roughly satisfy their high sexual need. I tend to think that high sex drive isn't in itself a problem. Girls who are unsuitable candidates usually have more troublesome traits with them rather than just high sex d rive.

    So, again, reality is very much more nuanced than this, but keep in mind these rules are there to help preventing you from committing obvious mistakes in choosing partners. When you feel that such and such a girl might deserve a shot, go for it, you may be wrong, but you will learn a lot on the condition that you leave some bread crums to find your way back.

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    1. Glad to see someone adding some nuance and positivity around here :) Keep it up!

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  7. While my personal relationship experiences have been largely similar to your hypothesis, I find it hard to believe this rule applies to everyone. People often make mistakes, tattoos are usually the result of lack of foresight and self awareness. While I would agree with the idea that generally girls with multiple tattoos can be more wild, I do see quite a few stable women sporting tattoos. Though maybe the social climate is different in Germany, people probably hold more traditionalist values then where I live (Australia). IMO the qualities I would be more likely to levy onto women who have tattoos are vanity, esteem issues and low intelligence, which depending on the guy may or may not be a deal breaker for a LTR.

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    1. You assume that people are able to fundamentally change their personality. Of course no "rule" applies to everyone without exception. However, it is safe to say that someone who has a history of doing stupid shit will keep doing so. A woman with "trendy" tattoos just announces to the world how stupid she is.

      Furthermore, never assume someone is stable just because they appear to be. Fuck them for a few weeks, and then report back. You'll find that women have two personas, a public and a private one.

      For an LTR, vanity, stupidity and low self-esteem should be deal breakers.

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  8. Regarding stripper, escorts, porn stars. I don't have experience with the first and the last, but for escorts and prostitutes, not that many girls are high sex drive according to my own experience. They are rather normal girls who want to make some fast cash while telling themselves they are going to quit when they've got what they need (true or false). Some of them can be quite decent and I have seen decent guys ending up settle with them. I guess those are decent are just decent and those view men purely as cows to milk remain so until their death.

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  9. "What about those who cut themselfs? (She told me she was 14 when she did it)"

    Stay the fuck away from cutters. I rank bipolar chicks the most dangerous and toxic freaks a guy can encounter, far above prostitutes or cam whores. You don't fuck around with them, leave them after you fuck or without fucking at all.

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  10. Where I live, a huge number of the women have a lot of their skin covered with tattoos. Like Aaron said, you gotta wonder what it will like as time progresses and skin isn't tight. Tons of piercings are also pretty common.

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    1. I think the aging part of tattoos is a dead-end argument. If a woman's skin doesn't age well, she's going to look ugly whether she has any ink or not. Wrinkly skin is wrinkly skin, it's unattractive either way. Piercings on the other hand are just ugly. Some beautiful celebrities have tattoos (Angelina Jolie, Cara Delevingne, even Emily Ratajkowski has one on her Achilles) but notice that none of them have face piercings.

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    2. I take it you've never seen an aging woman with tattoos. Besides, I wasn't referring to wrinkled skin but to less firm skin. Maybe undress a few more women before talking about topics you know little about.

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  11. In your experience,how often are women willing to settle for being a fuckbuddy when they want to tie you down into a relationship but find that they truly cannot? I assume that if a woman likes(is "in love")you enough to get you into a relationship,then she almost certainly craves to be fucked by you. and do women actually regret missing the chance to have sex with a guy they like?(i.e They went stage 5 clinger on the guy and tried to force marriage/relationship on them,causing the man to disappear before/without even having sex with them)

    I ask this because I hear a lot of stories where women regretted having sex with a guy who lied to them and disappeared,but I don't remember a story where a guy honestly told a girl he only wants sex,she then refused him thinking that she could somehow still get around it,but the guy really meant his word and before you know it,he became unavailable to her.

    Of course,this is not counting the "provider-hunters" (who you should be avoiding/weeding out anyway.)

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    1. Women settle for a fuck buddy arrangement if there is no good other option. Of course, plenty of women think that you're not serious when you tell them that you are not looking for a relationship and think they will be able to turn you around. Normally it takes them at least about six weeks until they figure out that you really aren't like one of the spineless betas that normally chase after them.

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  12. SAG44, your question is interesting and I think I need to provide an answer that is more balanced than what commonly found here.

    This blog, while being very good at exposing many negative sides of women, can provide a biased view towards them. There should be more posts pointing out how men can be as much as deceiving and immoral as women. One of these features are guys who keep sweet-talking with a girl, giving promises just to get into her pants, and when they're done, disappear. This is a classic. What I found is that most women have a natural need of security, the fear of abandonment, the desire to be taken care of. As guys, we sometimes can find it tiresome but I think it's a natural desire. They tend to seek investment from you before or after sex, as they are afraid of being abandoned and "used" once sex has happened.

    Girls don't necessarily want to you marry them after the first night. But they just want to know if you care for them as a person at all. That's why after sex you can call or text them just to make them feel secured emotionally, so they can avoid that guilty feeling. You think carefully, it makes sense. They are the ones at the receiving end of a sexual interaction and could bear the child. Their partner seeking behaviour would fit into this scheme.

    Generally, I find that if a girl isn't so bad with her characters, why not opening my heart for to hem, you learn a lot about women this way too. They ask you to go having dinner, fine, if I like them genuinely, I can go. Girls typically let you know many things after sex, as they are more trusting towards you than not.

    Of course, you have the right to reserve this to females whom you really enjoy. I am a bit different from guys who sleep around in my school, I tend to do some activities with chicks I've been with as I find some of them can be fun or at least help me to see them clearer.

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    1. Indeed. There are too many guys out there who lie and use deceit to get into a woman's pants,not knowing that girls do indeed crave and enjoy sex as well. It may be true that the honest approach will lose you some lays(this is a good thing,because I bet a significant percentage of those women are probably beta-users and provider hunters,or super religious girls looking for a husband. Either that,or they are extremely conservative/shy girls that might take months to lay. usually not worth it) but...hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. not worth inciting that.

      The last woman I've dealt with so far was an inexperienced and extremely shy woman who was cheating on her beta boyfriend,and she went stage 5 clinger on me. it was a long and complicated story but in the end,associating with her just wasn't worth it anymore and I dumped/ghosted her. She went nuts on her social media,and even tried to imply that a certain someone is gay and needs to stop leading girls on. This was what made me wonder if she regrets not getting the chance to have sex with me when I offered. I don't feel any regrets though,she was obviously spoiled and entitled,taking advantage of a nice man who loves her and then having the nerve to want a relationship with me. I feel like I've dodged a bullet.

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  13. Also, don't think that instability must be something that is extreme. Lots of girls are unstable but not necessarily dangerous. Most would cause you some minor irritations. Still, they can be an obstacle for her to become your girlfriend. One of the girls I like but later decide to see her again just cry all the times when I spotted her mistakes. She isn't harmful, not still irritates me.

    The most important thing to take home is: NO WOMEN ARE 100% STABLE. That's it. So find a range of instability that you can put up with and rank them against it.

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    1. Luckily science us our friend here as well and all of those aspects can be illuminated beyond the area of emotional petty fights of "men vs. women": first of all, it is true, that men and women are completely different in their biological & hormonal makeup, thus in their Darwinian strategies and hence in their view & actions with regard to sex, dating etc.

      In that sense women are highly practical with all related aspects: they have no time to lose, no energies to be spared or wasted and no use for "bad genetic investment".

      Regardless what societies tell us, the core & sole female interests are their own material survival and their own genetic survival = the survival of their own offspring. Satisfying male sexual or even emotional needs in NOT part of their core goals or considerations. Now, this doesn't mean that it won't cone in handy or be a nice experience to be had, once the core aspects have been met and secured. But it's never been any kind of prime female objective, because - frankly - women in their standard factory settings don't understand men, don't really care about men (except for supporting their core objectives). It even plays naturally into their in own, inborn sense of narcissism to consider men as something below them and themselves as more worthy, noble and higher ranking creatures (which is exactly where feminism comes in so easily). Now, all of this is just the way of nature, it's simply the way it is, which is why viewing it from a POV of "good/evil" or "positive/negative" is useless.


      All females are whores and must be whores, purely out of biological necessity. This is not peojorative speaking, it is just a neutral description applying to all female creatures, particularly to mammals. A successful women is a successful whore, a woman who failed in life failed in being a good & successful whore. Of course this is shameful to admit to oneself, which partly explains all the charade and self-denial business women employ in matters of sex & society. Nature doesn't give a shit anyway.

      The emotional instability of women can be easily explained and justified. Women have not been developed and wired to fight for survival. In fact this is the (questionably noble) duty and calling of men. This is why men on average are taller, physically stronger, usually less emotionally shaky, more focused etc. Men need those faculties in order to survive and to provide for female whorish offspring. Men have also been selected by females for precisely those features. In that sense we as men are overall much better adapted to surviving in this world and to cope with the mental & physiological stress which this truly cruel world daily inflicts onto our system.

      Women on the other hand did not need to evolve those objective qualities, because they had men service them, paying them with access to (hopefully juicy) sex, to biological reproduction and by feeding the male ego with valuable female validation (!). The genetic information of females contains far more "bad" and useless genes, because these genes haven't been weeded out by cruel evolution. This is a grave miatake but it's built in right into the system. So unless a man tries his best to individually educate a/his woman in that emotinal regard to counterbalance the negative effectson his ability to survive & persist, there is no way to get rid of it. In a way this emotionality also helps the female to control the male, whose services she must secure for herself & her offspring. But this mechanism will only work to a certain extend (as we probably all know).

      As Isidia rightly suggests, either find a woman with whose emotional perturbations you could come to terms with in everyday life, or get rid of her ASAP to energe emotionally unimpaired.

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    2. Regarding 'The genetic information of females contains far more "bad" and useless genes, because these genes haven't been weeded out by cruel evolution.'

      Females don't carry any genes that men don't (put differently: men have all the genes females have). Because the autosomes are shared by both sexes, while females have XX sex chromosomes and men XY.

      Regarding: 'In that sense we as men are overall much better adapted to surviving in this world and to cope with the mental & physiological stress which this truly cruel world daily inflicts onto our system.'

      Males and females are overall better at different things. Females are perfectly adopted to our world. The proof of this is that they exist. If they wouldn't be adopted so well, humans would not consist of two sexes, but maybe one.

      In fact, due to better planning and social skills, females are outperforming males in higher education in most first world countries.

      Your posts consist of unfounded bullshit. These are just two things that stuck out to me, most of what you write is so vague that there is no reasonable arguing with it.

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    3. Sure, women do really well in bullshit majors. You may have noticed that we are well past the point, as a society, where we can afford this. Look up "student debt" and "youth unemployment", or ask the cashier at McDonalds whether she is happy with the ROI on her M.A. in Ethnic Studies.

      In "real" higher education, i.e. any field that requires a superior IQ to do well in, you don't find many women.

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    4. Which society are you referring to? Student debt is more of a problem in the US and UK than Western Europe I believe. Youth unemployment can be attributed to many things, the global economic recession for example. Also in my opinion arts, liberal arts, and other alpha studies are BS, but I don't think this is a problem for women specifically because they roughly make up half of the work force.

      Besides, superior IQ isn't the only requirement for a good career. Women do great in medicine and law for example. Finance I am not sure about.

      Overall I think women don't have less intellectual capabilities than men, although men have more outliers at both ends of the spectrum (geniuses and morons) and are more innovative. A real problem in my opinion, is that men continue to support women to stay home and play with children all day. Feminists will blame the system as steering them in this direction, but many women are more than eager to lead a life of leisure provided by their husbands. (and I don't blame them!)

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    5. Of course, a highly inflated tertiary sector is not an issue at all on Continental Europe because the bill is footed by the tax payer, right?

      It's not just youth unemployment. Due to automation we (= the entire planet) are running out of work, but you obviously won't find this in mainstream newspapers, just as those sources are very reluctant to corroborate that importing millions of uneducated people from the Middle East isn't just rainbows and unicorns.

      BS degrees are largely a women's problem because they are predominantly studied by women. As a consequence, we now have an absurdly bloated governmental labor market to soak up a lot of those graduates.

      Women do great in medicine? Yeah, right, they are so great that at US universities their MCAT results are weighted much less strongly; in addition with some other mental gymnastics this then leads to a roughly equally proportioned freshman class in med school. It's not that Europe is any better. For instance, the University of Vienna hands out bonus points for having a pussy in order to make female applicants more competitive:
      http://www.zeit.de/studium/hochschule/2012-11/meduni-wien-frauenvorteil-zulassungsverfahren

      Pray tell, if women are so fantastic, then why the fuck do they always need to be given a leg up? It's as if, for instance, women would compete against men in the 100m, and have one second subtracted of their results in order to get a more equal outcome.

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    6. I was surprised by this post, as in some countries there is actually worry about a too low M:F ratio, which is recognized to be bad for a number of reasons. In Holland for example the M:F ratio in med school was approaching 30:70 due to many more girls graduating high school cum laude and obtaining guaranteed entry. I thought this was the same in Germany? This piece gives an idea of the concerns in the medical field:
      http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/view-article.html?id=20006082

      The automation of the planet is a another very interesting topic, one I hope you will write more about, because it doesn't get enough attention in mainstream media. I have read a few articles here and there, but it is not enough. Eventually there needs to be a debate about the way wealth is distributed I assume. And about population growth control ;)

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  14. Attention Whores:
    http://engineofsouls.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/indig-4a.jpg
    http://photos.wildjunket.com/Pacific/Papua-New-Guinea/Tari/i-vnMPXqR/0/L/IMG_4877-L.jpg

    ?

    I think that whole shit is just hardwired to some people.

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  15. "All females are whores and must be whores, purely out of biological necessity. This is not peojorative speaking, it is just a neutral description applying to all female creatures, particularly to mammals. A successful women is a successful whore, a woman who failed in life failed in being a good & successful whore. Of course this is shameful to admit to oneself, which partly explains all the charade and self-denial business women employ in matters of sex & society. Nature doesn't give a shit anyway."

    Sounds completely bullshit to me. There are so many women who married guys when they both have nothing in their hands and start building up together later. Sure, the guys must have some potentials, but up until the time when he married her, he got nothing.

    Trumping the desire of a woman to settle down with a successful man is like saying any wish to have a better life is a delusion. Girls don't like losers. Do you want to marry a beautiful yet a junky chick? Yes? You are a fucktard. There is nothing wrong, whorish or faulty for a woman to choose a successful man as a long term partners, that's a completely rational and natural desire. Or do you think they want to marry a piece of rubbish?

    Of course, out of all these women who are going after you, a successful man, you reserve the right to choose the fittest, the most appropriate one for yourself.

    "Whore" is a completely pejorative term, no matter how you like to twist it. Even "prostitute" and "sex workers" sound more polite than this term, and that is synonyms. You can never use this term to describe a female choice and say it's completely neutral.

    " A successful women is a successful whore, a woman who failed in life failed in being a good & successful whore."

    A complete lie and an insult to hard working women. You guys just have your eyes stuck on those juicy pussy and puffy butts and arses while completely miss those girls who have their careers lining up in line. Yeah, lots of these girls aren't hot, they don't look yummy, but they aren't no whores like you said, yet they are successful. Entepreneurs, IT workers, Bankers, Printing Managers, I met them all. These women are completely out of your radar, that's why you sit here and spill those completely negative biased bullshits.

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    1. Kudos for the comment. Less attractive&poor men don't even exist on women's perceptual radar in the same way as less attractive but hard-working career oriented women don't exist on guys radar. Hence you get generalizations such as "all women use their pussy to get ahead" etc...

      Generalization that all women are whores is very typical of manosphere writers. They also criticize that women don't even acknowledge nor care of betas existence. If you say that all women use their looks to get ahead then you essentially fail to acknowledge existence of less attractive women and thus are behaving in the same manner as women whom you criticize.

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    2. ISIDIA, I do understand your bewilderment and your disapproval. But just take a look at the pretext of heterosexual pairings with ordinary mammals: the female offers the chance of reproduction and the access to sex. The male offers protection and the access to resources crucial to her survival and of her offspring — she's hardwired to seek precisely that, because she simply cannot survive otherwise and will — literally — have failed in/with life. The male is absolutely hardwired to get that fuckin' sex (however crappy) and inject his sperm into her womb, no matter what and even if it may cost him his health, limb or life. Both are programmed to transfer their own genetic information as completely and as successfully as possible to future generations. And their respective strategies are different (i. e. entirely opposite to eachother). Any "emotions" or "ethics" are either of no importance at all or only enter the equation as secondary or tertiary aspects.
      The "good sex" / "true love" aspect only comes into play insofar as being fucked well raises the individual fecundity of the female at agiven time and makes her invest into her offspring more than to an average extent.

      Thus the tradeoff is: you give me access to sex and reproduction (even if its gonna cost e my very existence or identity) <=> you are eligible by "paying" me with protection & food service for myself and my offspring and subjugating your opposing goals in life to my biological imperitve.

      It's a clear tradeoff: sex for service. No sane femalw mammal would invest in a man not wanting to support her biological task. No healthy man would want to slave himself away were it not for the access to sex and sexual gratification. The business model is certainly not "love for love" or "sex for sex", that would be useless romantic mockery or impractical wishful thinking, getting either mammals absolutely nowhere.

      And I also don't understand the bewilderment: after all this has been (and still is) a highly successful procreation strategy. It's the mechanism responsible for both of us existing.

      And please tell me: where, under the thin veneer of society and cultural customs, does the life of ape homo sapiens differ in essence from the behaviour of his mammal peers? Just walk into a decently equipped zoo, go into the ape house, watch gorillas, orang-utans and chimpanzees — and recognize yourself.
      (or watch Kubrick's "2001", arguably the greatest film ever made so far).

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  16. "The last woman I've dealt with so far was an inexperienced and extremely shy woman who was cheating on her beta boyfriend,and she went stage 5 clinger on me. it was a long and complicated story but in the end,associating with her just wasn't worth it anymore and I dumped/ghosted her. She went nuts on her social media,and even tried to imply that a certain someone is gay and needs to stop leading girls on. This was what made me wonder if she regrets not getting the chance to have sex with me when I offered. I don't feel any regrets though,she was obviously spoiled and entitled,taking advantage of a nice man who loves her and then having the nerve to want a relationship with me. I feel like I've dodged a bullet."

    If you dig a bit deeper into this kind of woman, they are not stable and reliable at all. I'd say they are harmful to be included in your life in long term.

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    1. Do you want to know even more irony? The beta boyfriend she was cheating on,is actually VERY good looking (I'd say in the same league as Paul Janka,he could very well be a male model if he wanted to). to tell you the truth,I was very surprised that she was cheating on him...until I found out that the 2 have been together for a little more than 5 years(enough time for attraction to expire,I presume?)and while I don't know if he has always acted this way,but based on what I've seen,and the girl's social media activity,he's extremely beta(a lot of women love to brag how pussy-whipped her boyfriend is,it seems) She is pretty much the boss in the relationship.

      Its a sad spectacle. I feel that its guys like him,who would benefit most from Aaron Sleazy's material (or Girlschase/Chase Amante's material. although he may not be as reliable as Aaron,he does tackle some issues that Aaron doesn't)

      I have a cousin,he's good looking as well(he's a little skinnier than average,but nothing a good workout won't fix)but like the guy above,he's squandering it and he's in a relationship where he gets bossed around by some fat chick. I lent him my copy of Minimal game and linked him to a good workout routine. I've already given him the tools,I can only hope he has the sense to make use of it. good luck to him.

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  17. "Do you want to know even more irony? The beta boyfriend she was cheating on,is actually VERY good looking (I'd say in the same league as Paul Janka,he could very well be a male model if he wanted to)."

    The guy you mentioned could be a total pussy. But what I want to draw your attention to is the fact that some girls, NO MATTER HOW GOOD LOOKING you are, HOW ALPHA you are, still will fuck other guys, and I have bed at least 4 of them. Bitches will always be bitches. They cheat their hard-headed boyfriends for revenge. A chick even told me she did so because he refused to buy for her an I-phone 4. You can go figure what kind of garbage they are.

    The issue here is to ditch the bitches as soon as you find out about them. They are of no use but a garbage bag to dump your cum into (or onto).

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  18. I have wondered about those guys you mention. Do you know their parents? An issue I have seen is that many guys (especially US guys) just don't have a very good father figure to follow, therefore, end up doing stupid things with women. I have never seen any of my Kazakh or Chechen friends being pussy-whipped. If anything, they dump their girlfriends like autumn leaves after slapping them silly due to insubordination. Even worse, few cheat on their girlfriends constantly while the chicks know full well but don't dare to leave.

    Some of these guys told me their fathers show them how treat women. They are quite on the brutish side, to be honest, but million times better than a beta boy,

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    1. Indeed. Someone with a history of bad character is unlikely to ever change. One of the worst mistakes you could ever make is to let yourself fall in love with such people. A lot of people have had their lives destroyed because they fell in love with someone who never had their best interest in mind.
      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/dont-get-married/
      (NOTE: I do NOT endorse heartiste. he's mostly full of shit,but the examples he gives out in his article here really drives my point)

      and yeah,you're right. its why men who are raised by single moms(or raised in a family where mom was dominant)are often groomed into becoming betas. Although I'm honestly not very experienced with women myself at the moment(mostly because my interests are elsewhere as of now),its a real blessing I discovered guys like Aaron,and gained valuable lessons that other men had to learn the hard way.

      Being an insensitive brute is far better than being a beta/NiceGuy(TM),but a balance is needed. I can't imagine myself genuinely loving a woman who I can walk all over.

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  19. As you can see how fucked up the current model of marriage is. Masculinity is entirely discouraged, and this will breed more and more problems in the future. We might have hordes of guys who walk on the eggshell.

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  20. It might not be completely related to this post but what about woman who smoke (a lot)? Some man think that already this disqualifies a woman for a serious relationship since it correlates with certain personality traits that might make a woman more interesting to have fun with but don't go well with anything beyond that.

    GL

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    1. The answer should be obvious. The next time you are so desperate that you feel the need to ruminate whether some trashy woman may, despite all her glaring flaws, may make a great partner in a long-term relationship, rub one out, or drop $200 on a decent escort. Both options are way cheaper in the long run.

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    2. I have noticed that women who loves smoking also love blowjobs.

      Often, they are overweight too.

      Is there some kind of link with the mouth ?

      Also, please don't hate me, but I noticed that women that loves blowjobs are fucking sluts. Exceptions exist, but most of my caring girlfriends didn't like blowjobs, while all the fucking sluts I had sex with loved swallowing my load.

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    3. If she is really into you, chances are she will suck your dick even if she rarely if ever does it. Please tell me about more about "caring girlfriends" who don't blow you --- but who got a bukkake with her entire college football team.

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