Ross Jeffries hates Criticism, loves Censorship

I don't drink coffee, but if I did, I would have spilled my cup when I found out that Ross Jeffries, the "genius" behind Speed Seduction, has started his own anti-pickup community blog, aptly named PUAFraud.com.

Honestly, this is absurd. He should have taken a page out of the book of Love Systems, PUA Training, Real Social Dynamics and others. Point in case: if you write fake reviews and testimonials, then at least use different aliases. If you are thick or only found one guy who was dumb enough to work for free for you, then the fact that all the testimonials use similar language patterns will still give you away.

Just look at this priceless post by an RSD Intern who has the solution for all your problems in life. The laundry list of course ends with "take an RSD bootcamp". Funnily enough, the first reply is by a guy who writes, What are you doing as an RSD intern. I thought you were financially free?". The remainder of the thread is a mindblowing example of human stupidity.

But back to Ross's new blog. While I found his motivation completely transparent, I am still baffled. The mere fact that he has used his own alias to bash his competition, who basically offer the same scammy products than he does defies any logic. But probably it's just an attempt of clutching at straws. Surely he would not have to resort to such means if his "business" would run well.

To give you some background information: Ross Jeffries has joined PUAHate.com some months ago. While he tried branding himself as a martyr who offers the one true solution for getting women, he got bashed severely. Last time I checked, he hadn't posted for weeks, which was not surprise since he did a rather poor job on convincing the people on there how "amazing" his system was. Spreading bullshit on your own blog and censoring comments you don't like is much easier (and less harmful to his bloated ego, too) than facing a horde of critics and trolls.

I did check out his blog some days ago. The first question that popped into my head was, "Who is he addressing?". Not only was his writing very weak and lacking any argument as to why he would not be a scammer, it was also very transparent that he was writing some of his own blog comments. Just compare style and vocabulary.

I've commented on his lame post on the "seduction syndicate", which takes ample inspiration from SaltyDroid's posts on the Internet marketing syndicate. I have mentioned Salty Droid before, but here's a reminder: Salty attacks the scammy Internet marketing niche for their unethical and often illegal business methods. Since a lot of gurus, like Ross Jeffries, Neil Strauss aka. Style, Mystery and Mehow seem to be "students" of scammers such as Frank Kern and "Eben Pagan" (a pseudonym of the guy whose other pseudonym is "David DeAngelo"), it is therefore little surprise that both groups use similar techniques. On an abstract level, it almost looks like a Ponzi scheme as Internet marketing gurus trick PUAs who then trick other people.

Since Ross Jeffries' hypocrisy was too much for me to take, I had to comment. In all honesty, nothing in his post made it clear why he would be exempt from the accusations he makes against his competitors. Here's my comment:

To my great surprise, this comment did not get censored, unlike some other guy's, who had wanted to mention a number of informative threads on Ross Jeffries on PUAHate.com. Well, in his own house, Jeffries doesn't tolerate criticism it seems, so why didn't he censor my post?

It turned out that cunning Ross Jeffries had a different plan. He replied:

 

There was no point in going back because Ross Jeffries deliberately "re-framed" my comment. What followed is just lame, since Jeffries deleted my next comment, which was this:

It's little surprise that Ross Jeffries didn't want to have this kind of irrefutable argument on his blog. Therefore, he quickly (panickingy?) deleted it.

But this wasn't the end of it:

Who is lying and misrepresenting facts here, Ross Jeffries?

I actually was surprised that he did allow some minor criticism of his censoring:

Ross Jeffries should seriously read up on Roman Mythology. What does it mean if we call someone "Janus"? (Answer: A two-faced, hypocritical son of a b*tch.)

Ross Jeffries's early ancestor in spirit

So, let's sit back and wait what is going to happen. Here's my last post on Ross Jeffries' blog:

Honestly, guys, in which way is Ross Jeffries "better" than Mehow, Style, David DeAngelo and all the other scammers out there? Heck, Jeffries makes fun of Mehow having gotten an "F" from the Better Business Bureau, a fate he shares with some other "gurus", but what grade would Ross Jeffries' Speed Seduction business get?

Tribute to Mehow?

I'm working on a piece on Ross Jeffries, who has recently jumped the anti-pua bandwagon for hilarious effect. More on that soon, but to get you over the wait, here's another video, but this time it is not with but about Mehow:



I always thought this was a clear parody, but I just realized that it was on the Youtube account of DJFuji, one of Mehow's former "coaches". Apparently it was really meant to be a tribute, which only makes me chuckle.

...and now watch out, Ross Jeffries. You've got another day or two.

Some critical Feedback to "Debunking", Part II

This post is the continuation of a previous one.

The email I mentioned didn’t stop with trying to defend Speed Seduction. It also questioned the role of looks, popularity and money, which I have plenty of times described as the main ingredients of seduction (no surprise, really).

The second thing is...you mention on the blog...also quoting some guy from your forum that started a thread (that had the word "fishing" in it) ...that good looking guys get the hot girls and bad looking guys the not so hot ones. Also you say being overweight is a deal breaker. I'm not trying to contradict you or start a debate or whatever... I'm just trying to make an observation and see what you think about it. Firstly I have a friend who's overweight and does good with women. He's very funny, smart and mature...girls seem to like that. He doesn't get the best looking girls yet he has never had a problem having an abundance of women in his life, both friends and lovers/fuck buddies. There's also a guy on Zan's forum, an overweight politician who does great with women. I also see quite a few overweight guys on the street holding hands with really good looking girls. I also have a friend who's really skinny and not good looking and he gets hot girls all the time. (he has a big dick but ...he's not classically good looking). The idea is ...I see quite a few not so good looking guys with good looking women ...and I can't connect this with your "theory" mentioned on the blog.

I have allowed myself to set in bold what the reason is those guys get laid. I’m really glad the guy who has sent me the email was critical enough to look for a reason beyond “game” that makes girls want to get involved with those apparently otherwise less attractive men.

Let’s just go through it in some more detail:

I have a friend who's overweight and does good with women. He's very funny, smart and mature...girls seem to like that. He doesn't get the best looking girls yet he has never had a problem having an abundance of women in his life, both friends and lovers/fuck buddies.

Yes, it’s sometimes enough if people just really like each other, and if he is “funny, smart and mature” he is in an excellent position. Of course, this doesn’t mean that he will automatically get the most attractive girls but if he is somewhat average then he does well by getting average girls himself. However, I bet that if he bothered to lose weight, he would suddenly be able to get hotter girls.

There's also a guy on Zan's forum, an overweight politician who does great with women.

Ah, politicians, this noble race which pretends to have nothing but the best in mind for society, as long as they can quench their thirst for power and money. Having lobbyists around who bribe you with tens of thousands must be sweet, and if you f*ck things up bad enough and you get voted out of office, you just get a cushy job in the private sector, incidentally in the same industry you were a benefactor of while you were in office. What happened to integrity? No, instead that dude brags about all the girls he is banging. Thankfully he can hide behind a username, but let’s just hope this comes back and haunt him once he gets more influential.

As I see it, politicians are inherently corrupt scum, up to the highest levels --- just think of “Dubya” and his cronies like Cheney, or former German chancellor Gerhard Schröder, who supported a major infrastructure project by Gazprom, then the third biggest company in the world, and, surprise, surprise, was hired as an “adviser” after his tenure.

Because politicians are inherently corrupt, they have no problem accepting bribery or, “speaking fees” for tens of thousands of dollars, and they are amazing liars too. So, even if all their money and power would not get them laid, they’d surely tell you with a blank face that, no, no, no, of course they never bill their expense accounts for hookers and escorts. No, never. It’s impossible. Instead, they go out and pick up girls at Starbucks, and probably shove a wallet filled with “Benjamins” into the face of a malnourished illegal immigrant worker.

I also see quite a few overweight guys on the street holding hands with really good looking girls.

As long as you don’t know more about those guys, you don’t know what they have going for them. It could be money, power, big dicks. Heck, those might be the colleagues of that corrupt scum bag of a politician for all you know, and the girls escorts, or their daughters.

I also have a friend who's really skinny and not good looking and he gets hot girls all the time. (he has a big dick but ...he's not classically good looking).


Let me spell that for you again: he has a BIG DICK. Yes, having a big dick is a huge benefit. Forget about the “size doesn’t matter, it’s what you do with it” nonsense. Besides, I never got why having a big cock would mean that you automatically have no clue how to use it.

This reminds me of one of my former girls who commented on my sizable cock while she was blowing me for the first time:

Her: You’ve got a nice one.
Me: So, you like ‘em big, girl?
Her (laughs): No, I want them small and really thin so that I don’t feel anything.

…and continued. Yes, it hurt when I entered her but it seems to have been worth it. While I am vain enough to tell myself that I get laid because I am good looking, the size of my cock also plays a role.

The idea is ...I see quite a few not so good looking guys with good looking women ...and I can't connect this with your "theory" mentioned on the blog.

Now you can. It's often very obvious why guys get laid. But thanks a lot for this interesting email, I've enjoyed commenting on it.

Some critical Feedback to "Debunking"

The email responses to “Debunking the Seduction Industry” keep coming, despite having released the book months ago. Only very few replies are critical, though, and in this post I will discuss one, since it basically covers everything the few guys wrote to me who objected to the content of my free ebook were saying:

Firstly I checked your "Is the PU industry a sham industry" post on mASF, there were quite a few replies to that post (I'm not a mASF member, I just came across your post via your blog). You said in the book that you didn't know of anyone who had success with speed seduction, yet I've seen lots of guys on that thread saying speed seduction is the best bla bla bla (the contrary to what you said). I don't really know what to believe, I tend to think Ross is not getting laid as much as he says, his system is useless and his testimonials are fake...but that's just me. Anyway,the question is how did you come up with that statement in the book that you don't know anyone who got success with SS when guys replied to your thread saying the contrary?

You say that there are “lots of guys on that thread saying speed seduction is the best”, but of course you have to take into account who is making those claims. Unfortunately, for your argument, you are referring to some of the most discredited individuals on mASF.

But allow me first a remark on the nature of the so-called “Masterminds” forum on mASF. This sub-forum was created after some people voiced concerns about the rapidly decreasing quality of the forum, which continues to this day. Formhandle also hoped that some other “big guns” would join in but the few that showed up made complete fools out of themselves, such as HuddersfieldMark and BigWillyStyle, and basically got laughed off the forum.

However, this doesn’t mean that all is well and good on that board. You basically received an invitation if you managed to get a “good” ranking by other mASF users, and this basically means that as long as you didn’t piss anybody off and wrote the occasionally field report, you were shooed in, which included a couple of guys that had barely lost their virginity.

This background allows you to put into perspective the claims of the two most vocal supporters of Speed Seduction in this thread. The first one, Mankite, does, from what you can deduce from his posting history, get laid rather infrequently, and if he does, he somehow manages to backward rationalize it by saying that he was using Speed Seduction. For instance, he has written a “lay report” in which he seduces a girl that was listening to a small solo performance (!) he has given, completely neglecting the fact that just holding a music instrument on a stage is pretty much enough to get laid --- and then you read that he was “pacing” and “hypnotizing” the girl with his instrument.

Further, I have reason to believe that Mankite does not get laid by hot girls. Evidence are his “I’m in love” posts which show up about once a year whenever he’s managed to bang what he considers a hottie, and makes sure that everyone else also gets that impression.

The other guy, Baddog, was a running gag on mASF. He had the shtick of posting Youtube videos with no explanatory text at all and a title like “Best example of X”, claiming that this meant that he was teaching us seduction via the Socratic method. Later, he went on to develop an “open source” seduction method called A.C.E.D., which was the most vague “method” I have ever seen. It took a few months, but eventually many of the other “Masterminds” ganged up and told him publicly what they think of him. Eventually, he was banned from the Masterminds sub-forum and, as far as I know, he hasn’t posted ever since, because it was such a blow to his ego.

Let’s have a look at some of his claims: he claims to have had nine “lays” that year (and this was in August), including --- red flag --- “a 4 month dry spell earlier this year where LMR was my middle name because I was re-calibrating without SS”. At this point your conclusion can only be “whacko”. But the very next sentence is: “I COULD get laid several times a WEEK if I used SS like before, and was so inclined, but I’ve abandoned it for.... (get THIS!) ETHICAL REASONS.” Sure you have.

Whenever somebody tells you how many times he could (!) get laid, run for the hills. Oh, and surely you have read this line of Baddog, too: “ It’s taken me 2 years of 6 to 8 hours of study or field work PER DAY to get to the point I’m at.” Later on, he writes, “Typically I'll open at least 20 or 30 people, maybe over 10 or 15 sets in an evening.”

Hahahahaha.

Dear email writer, if Baddog’s claim that he really has invested 4300 to 5800 hours (!) is true, approached as many girls as he does, and all that he can show for this effort is about one “lay” a month despite the absurd amount of time he puts in, then this guy does nothing but discredit Speed Seduction. If you then actually bothered to look up the “lay reports” Baddog has posted, you will find that he eventually stumbled upon a horny girl and then thinks that he now has to use Speed Seduction to get her, i.e. to him it is inconceivable that girls can just be horny, which then leads him to deceive himself by stating that she got horny by using "Speed Seduction". One wonders why the other dozen or so girls were immune to those superb techniques, though.

What Baddog does is applying the same faulty reasoning I have outed in “Debunking the Seduction Community”, when I was stating that "game" is nothing but backwards rationalizing.

I could go on about Baddog, but this should be enough.

The email of the guy didn’t stop here, but this post does. Stay tuned for the second part!

Random Notes on “The Syndicate”

My previous two posts were mostly discussing parallels between the seduction industry and the Internet marketing industry. If you are so inclined, please also check out some of the blog comments of the original article over at Salty Droid. There are many interesting comments to be found, especially due to the overlap of those two industries.

At the time of writing this, Salty Droid’s "The Internet Marketing Syndicate" had 591 comments. I have skimmed those and you may want to, if you have an interest in learning how those scammers operate, since some more techniques get exposed there. Unsurprisingly, there are further parallels to the way the seduction industry works, and there is plenty of “gold” in it. Also, if you dig around deeper at this site, you will find hilarious posts such as one by Ross Jeffries (!), calling out Internet marketer Ryan Geiss because that guy’s product “didn’t work”. I wonder whether Ryan Geiss is bitching somewhere else on the Internet that Ross Jeffries products didn’t help him either.

Furthermore, some days after the publication of the original article, Salty Droid released a “best of” of the comments, and this article has now attracted 135 more comments itself.

Get out while you can

I gave a talk in Chicago last week. The crowd was pretty excited and I met a number of very interesting people. Among the topics we've discussed was the role of pickup and seduction in your life. One guy in the audience commented:

Isn't it somewhat ironic that you are now in a relationship, after acquiring all those skills?

I don't think it is.

There is a time for everything in life. I think it is rather sad to see people age, while their behavior doesn't change. This is especially true for people within the community, no matter whether they ever got the level of success they were dreaming about or not. I also recently read an interesting thread on PUAHate in which the user Jakal makes the following statement regarding Ross Jeffries, one of the pioneers of this industry:

People still buy his stuff, but if any of you see him today, he's a gray haired, washed up stubbled face jew who is just miserable and lonely in his studio Marina Del Ray apartment.   

I think there is nothing more miserable than a fifty or sixty year old player. It's like forty year old guys walking around in sports clothes (a rather common sight in the States). This is excusable for a fourteen year old. Or think of club girls with wrinkled faces, wearing their daughter's clothes. Life either drags us down, or we accept that we have to grow up as we grow older and change or roles accordingly.

While discussing some related ideas in my upcoming ebook, my friend Corley sent me an article by Toecutter, once a prominent poster on mASF. (The article in question was from a private lounge, though.) Here is an excerpt:

Take a reality check at your lives, fellas. Turn off the bullshit for a second, and examine your own relationships with women. How is it going? Is the community fucking you up? If so, QUIT! Like now. Quit the fucking thing. Get on with your life. Because how would you feel if you could fast forward to 10 years later, and it is still the same as today? 10 years fucking fly, man! You will be 10 years older before you know it. Would you be happy to be still chasing tail and getting the same results that you are getting at the moment?

In fact, "chasing tail" is certainly entertaining, but sooner or later there will be the point where it becomes repetitive. I had such an experience less than a year ago when I was out in Berlin at Berghain, once my favorite clubs (but it has completely gone down a cliff). I was seeing three girls simultaneously, and another girl was dancing in front of me, trying to get my attention. As I was about to make a move, I thought to myself, "Why do you even bother with this? All you have to do is pick up the phone if you want to get laid." At this point I realised what could almost be called the idiocy of pickup.

Once the thrill of the chase is gone and you've seen enough and done it all (and I have certainly seen and experienced what most men only know from porn movies), it really becomes boring. Sure, some guys are obsessed with increasing their "lay count" above everything else, but if you play the game this way, you can never "win". Or do you want to feel like Sisyphos?