Wednesday, November 6, 2013

Real-Life Example of a PUA who Creeped Out an Entire Campus


In my last post on Wannabe PUAs and Social Exclusion I mentioned how the complete absence of tact can easily make socially inept guys alienate their entire surroundings. In the comments this discussion was enriched by a number of people, such as Johnny who chimed in that when he makes a new friend, he learns through Facebook that they've got a handful of mutual "friends" already, or an anonymous with the observation that he's bumping into the same people in a city as big and vibrant as NYC.

So, there certainly is some awareness that you're not as anonymous in the crowd as you might think. But what happens if you are a PUA who thinks that the world is his oyster and, just like in an arcade-style video game, he can always just insert another credit or hit the reset button? Well, "Sean Larson" is what's going to happen. (Thanks to another anonymous commenter for the tip!)




"Sean Larson" managed what you might consider impossible: He hit on so many girls at Ohio State University (OSU), and in such an indiscriminate manner, that his reputation grew and travelled far and wide. His reputation wasn't a good one, though. Here is a discussion on Reddit with hundreds of comments about a "Guy who harasses girls around campus", which started with this post:
Have any other girls out there ever been stopped by a short Indian guy named Shane or something? This guy has literally tried to stop me a grand total of six times, and every time he tries to ask me if I'm from LA or something cheesy. Does anyone know who this guy is? Does he even go to school here?

As the saying goes, karma is a bitch. I don't even know where to start with that guy. He has certainly proven that it is possible to completely wreck his reputation by utter stupidity. Have a look at the top ranked comment on Reddit:

YES! He's tried approaching me like four times, twice in Thompson. The first time he approached me, he just came straight up to me, kissed me on my hand (he kind of just yanked my hand up, because he took me by surprise), and tried to stroke my hair. I was like WTF?! Second time he tried to approach me in Thompson like we were supposed to be friends or something and I'm like nope Nope NOPE! I had to literally push past him, as I was leaving the downstairs bathroom and he confronted me in the hallway. I was then "Get the fuck away from me. I don't know you." He was still trying to persist and corner me and literally no one, in the crowded library, tried to step in despite me being obviously distressed. Maybe, it's just me, but if I saw someone in the same position I was in, I would've stepped in. 
So, when I've seen him try to do similar things to girls on campus and on High Street. I try to step in every time I see it happen because no one had the courtesy to do that for me. I've been seriously ruminating about trying to file a complaint against him but I don't even know his real name or who to go to, at least on campus. So yeah, that's my story. He's a creep and I seriously get sick to my stomach every time I see him.

Sounds like a charming little fellow to me. Like totally. And when I was reading that I was so "YES! I totally, like, want more of that!!!" Consequently, I dug around some more, and found out that the reputation of "Sean Larson" has been growing rapidly. The discussion on Reddit spawned articles in, for instance, the website of the student paper of OSU:
The 22-year-old man goes by the pseudonym “Sean Larson.” He said he uses the pseudonym to protect him from physical harm and stalking. 
“Campus is very tribal, so it’s like a tribal psychology place,” Larson said in an interview with The Lantern Oct. 26. “If you get found out for doing that kind of stuff (sleeping with many women), you can get extradited from the whole thing.”
Of course, Sean Larson tries the old PUA shtick of claiming that approaching a ton of women also means that he's sleeping with a ton of women. The problem is not that he's such a womanizer that all the other girls are pissed off because they have to wait for their turn until his dick is free for a few minutes so that they can hop on it. No, the issue is that he has approached so many girls on campus, and in such an awkward manner that he gained a reputation not as some kind of uber-manly Casanova, but as a complete creep.

Of course, according to that guy, the problem is that the women are such bitches. Here he is, verbatim:
They’re two-faced. When I’m actually meeting them, they’re all friendly and bubbly and give me their number,” he said. “Behind my back, when they go home, they’re talking s—.
PUAs are well-known for not realizing when they start annoying people, and they can't distinguish mere friendliness due to social norms from sexual interest either. But, hey, I guess if your plan is to just approach a few hundred girls then those subtle differences don't matter.

A commenter on that website described the situation very well:
You know, as women, sometimes you are approached by men and it is a really uncomfortable situation. So you figure, maybe if I’m nice but detached he’ll go away and won’t drag me into an alley and rape me. That’s not being “two-faced”, that is just self-preservation. That guy needs to find his kicks in some other way than harassing women.

I burst into laughter when I noticed that "Sean Larson" just had to chime in with a typical PUA comeback:
Some stupid rumors going on. Girls touch me, I don’t touch them. I’m the victim. The girls are sexual predators.
Of course, since there are so many girls after him, he doesn't have to approach a single one, and the OSU student newspaper just ran an article in which they implored all girls not to harass this poor little guy.

There was a surprising revelation at the end of the article, too:
Columbus Division of Police Officer Joshua Urlaub said Larson could be toeing the line of legal and illegal if he is too persistent in his pursuit of women. 
“It just depends on how far he goes with it,” Urlaub said. “If he’s continuing to harass them, and he won’t take ‘no,’ he’s definitely on the line of a harassment charge.”
Urlaub said anyone who is continually harassed should notify the police immediately.
This wasn't the end of it, though. The story spread to Jezebel, and some site called BroBible, of which I hadn't heard of yet, wrote a long investigative article on him with the lovely title How Ohio State Used Facebook and Reddit to Turn Against Its Campus’ Most Notorious Creeper.

I find it amusing that "Sean Larson" chimes in himself in the comments, thinking that all the negative attention he is getting is actually good for him.

The college kids posting there seem to have a pretty decent view of "game", though. Here's one commenter:
You aren't some sort of sex-wizard, you're just some dumbass who keeps flinging shit at a wall until it finally sticks. And then you brag about how well that shit stuck to the wall.
...and here's another:
What you're about to read is a tale of "pick-up artistry" gone wrong—how one dude in Columbus, Ohio managed to single-handedly piss off an entire college town and face an unprecedented amount of public shaming on Facebook and Reddit.
.... You know that's a bad thing right????

Following some more trails, I then came across an article in Business Insider. That PUA is apparently getting "famous". Their article had the rather unflattering title, Ohio State University Students Have Come Together To Shame A Notoriously Creepy 'Pick-Up Artist.

Compared to that guy some amateur who barely manages to creep out all the women who hang out in his local bar doesn't even register on the radar, though.

What do you think of that guy? Is he a creep or your personal hero? Let me know in the comments below!

63 comments:

  1. lol kid you have no idea what level if player you are talking shit about. I could walk circles around you in any playing field. check out this vid of me in field: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxCzh7xRnSk

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    1. I take it you aren't intimidated by the fact the Columbus Police knows about what you do and that you're almost on the line for harassment charges?

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    3. why would you guys bash a man for having the audacity to actually approach beautiful women. This is what is wrong with society. Average looking guy tries approaching and fails so we ridicule him... stay in your little hole average chump. Society says "some day every average guy will find a woman and she will change him.... but it won't be me" he at least took proactive steps to get women. When was the last time you approached a girl sober "OSU Bro's"

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    4. Nobody would have a problem if that guy approached a few chicks here and there, but pestering women all over campus, and approaching so indiscriminately that he's hitting on the same chick six times in a few weeks, without realizing it!?

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  2. you are a typical white knight. check out this youtube vid of me picking up a supermodel in 2 min. I own u bitch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxCzh7xRnSk

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    1. Let me get this straight: you are so obsessed googling your name that you ended up commenting on this blog about an hour after the article went up, and you are so full of yourself that you had to link to the same video twice? Nice pair of glasses, by the way. Surely girls take you really seriously.

      Also, check your vocabulary. If you start referring to regular girls as "supermodels" you've got nothing to go from there. Or do you intend, in case you happen to speak to a really good looking one, to refer to her as "mega model" or "hyper model" --- and what about the dozen women or so on this planet who really are supermodels. What do you call them? I mean, apart from "bitchez".

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    2. I'm wondering if he "ever" gets a girl in bed, if he puts his condom upside-down as his sunglasses.

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  3. I think it extremely pertinent to note for those not from the U.S or those unaware, that OSU has over 56,000 undergrad. For anyone to reach that level of notoriety within a college community that large is astounding bordering on impressive.

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    1. I had the idea that OSU was a large university, but I didn't know it was that large. I'm speechless.

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    2. Yeah Ohio State is one of the largest tightest, student communities in the country.

      The school, like most large public institutions that feature Division I athletics is ruled by Greek (fraternity life).

      Outsiders that aren't super good looking that come on campus to "approach" girls have no shot with the hotter girls at the school. Community/commuter college campuses offer better prospects.

      btw- I hate to generalize but everyone in the USA knows that the Ohio State student body is one of the tightest/most arrogant in the nation. That is what makes makes their community so tight. They hate everyone and everything that isn't scarlet and grey. They hate "LA types" like myself and the kid in the video. This isn't a friendly a place to "approach" girls and the police aren't too tolerant because of the crime rate in Columbus.

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    3. You think OSU is bad, come to Penn State (where I went) if you want to see an arrogant student body.

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    4. I agree about Penn State. haha. A chick I dated came from there and even though she's graduated, its all she ever talks about is Penn State, missing her friends and the football games/culture. When we go tailgaiting at UofM or MSU, it's always "This is NOTHING compared to Penn State."

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  4. It's a bit funny how you and everyone else is shaming a guy like this, if he was tall and sufficiently attractive he wouldn't need any "tact", if you are attractive then your social retardedness is "cute "and every dumb and contrived thing you say or do is funny."You're a creep" almost exclusively means "i don't find you attractive"

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    1. Dude, I get where you are coming from. I am a guy who for most practical purposes falls into the non-tall, non-very-attractive category. The solution however is not to go and creep out an entire university campus. The solution is to realize that "cold-approaching" women on the streets and collecting a bunch of numbers is not the answer. The dude can fool himself all he wants that he is this "mad playa". Rather than deny reality, things will only improve if one accepts it and learns to work with it.

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    2. I agree with Johnny. In fact being attractive may not always be the best thing for you. Girls would potentially assume that every other girl always wants you which would scare a lot of girls off. Imagine trying to have a relationship with a women and knowing every time she leaves the house she gets potential suitors trailing after her. All in all, what works for some does not work for all. He would be better off finding his own style and toning it down a notch. Look at all of the guys who are below average in looks but still maintain relationships. I even know many guys who fit the 'player' bill and aren't conventionally attractive. Play to your strengths.

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    3. The guy isn't ugly from the video he posted though, he's no supermodel but he's not hideous either. All of which is undermined because he's *wearing his sunglasses upside down*.

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    4. A few things:

      1) "Attractiveness" is relative- what one woman finds attractive, another one won't. This means that, no matter what, a guy who behaves strangely will still wind up creeping out a lot of women.

      2) Attractiveness is also not just based on physical appearance- stuff like demeanour, fashion sense and good hygiene come into play as well. So someone who wears strange clothes or acts strangely isn't likely to be considered "attractive" since we tend to notice strange behaviour before we notice the features of someone's face.

      3) Someone who actually has confidence in their looks, for whatever reason, is *not* going to act as a creep. This is because someone with actual confidence- not "pretend" confidence as Sean Larson has- won't be afraid to approach women, and knows far better about acting around them. He'll still have his awkward moments and will likely still creep out the odd woman or two, but he knows when to stop much earlier than Larson ever seemed to learn (if he ever did learn when "too much is too much").

      4) Someone who insists on forcing themselves onto another person, be it male or female, is going to get into trouble, because that's not something *anyone* wants. To use an extreme example, a rapist is still a rapist, no matter how "good looking" they may be.

      Bottom line, even if this guy was James Bond, the way this guy acts he'd likely have the same result.

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  5. Man, what a creeper. It's one thing to cold approach, but another to cold approach the same targets again and keep creeping them out. Some people are dense. Sounds like he watched too many Simple Pickup videos and decided to do things at random instead of knowing what real game is like.

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  6. Here's an "in-field-video" of this guy. I really wish him well…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxCzh7xRnSk

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    1. Oh, that's the same video he posted. I think it's quite telling that we consider that material rather bizarre, while he seems to be mightily proud of it.

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    2. Oh come on Sleazy. We all know that Indian guys are traditionally severely mis-calibrated when it comes to talking to girls. We both saw guys like that come through on mASF on more than one occasion.

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  7. We all know it's our problem right? I mean we're the ones who are living in our reality!

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  8. That is the same campus that A-nova went to. :)

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    1. I don't know about that, but if that's the case, it's a great contrast since Assanova got laid plenty without creeping girls out, and he also got a great reputation for his realistic and down-to-earth advice. The difference between him and "Sean Larson" could hardly be more striking.

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  9. Some of this PUA crap comes from Internet Marketing. As in, "I'll just repeat this same action over and over for a 1% response rate." Check the Warrior Forum for more examples of this behavior.

    (There apparently were discussion boards about pick-up before this shift, but it was less crazy and focused more on sex than a "lifestyle". The "old timers" might have been logical enough to realize getting laid regularly by a girlfriend made more sense than once-a-month via random hook-ups.)

    Other note: Sean Larson probably has a Google Alert setup for his name/username. Whenever someone mentions him, it appears in his email account.

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    1. Thanks for this remark! I knew that Internet Marketing was a pretty fucked up scene, but I wasn't aware that they have reached that level.

      Regarding Google Alerts: I have set a couple of alerts myself for a number of topics I find privately interesting. What I've noticed is that Google Alerts has become highly unreliable over the last two years or so. There are now many sources that call Google Alerts useless. Here's a somewhat recent discussion:
      http://mashable.com/2013/03/22/google-alerts-dying/
      ...but you'll find countless posts on that theme.

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    2. During a bubble the ones that make the money are the ones fueling it. The only ones making money in internet marketing are the ones telling you how to make money doing internet marketing lol.

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  10. Yikes, this is not good. Makes it harder for guys just trying to meet women. I was actually thinking of going my local university to meet some girls because the CC I go to is far from my house and the university is bigger.

    It think it's important to have something other than women on the mind when doing stuff like this. If I were to go to university I wasn't apart of, I would make sure I had (another) reason to be there. For me that would be studying for my cc classes, or looking for work so i can get free tuition and transfer to that university, or visit my friend. Then i would talk to chicks that look inviting or ask people questions If I needed to find my way around then and start a conversation.

    Maybe look at a couple events, bars or things that take place on campus and make quick friends with girls and guys.

    That's is just theory I haven't tried it yet. But I want to.

    I hate seeing articles like this.It should never get this bad where people notice and make you a social outcast, but what else can we do?

    Speaking for myself I don't seem to get a lot of choosing and even when women seem attracted they say they have bf or something. I don't make moves to much because I like my good reputation. You-Sleazy and Johnny haven't really given any concrete solutions.

    I mean I can learn guitar or pretend to be a photographer but what if I don't want to do that?

    I desire to play a sport when I transfer though...particularly football, but that's ways off, really gotta focus on my classes.

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    1. Regarding concrete solutions, I know where you are coming from because I have been there myself :) - The reason your mind refuses to read the concrete solutions offered on this blog, comments and forum is that your mind is still hoping for some random quick fix, and it is refusing to accept some realities.

      If you are not already getting much attention, there is no quick fix. You can try guitar/photography as well, but 3-4 months of doing is not going to help either. Forget about women for a while, and focus on other more important stuff first - like your college, getting fit, and getting a basic social life.

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    2. You have to think positive. You could approach women with "Hey do you know this campus-creep?" :D

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  11. This is a sensible approach. Don't expect too much from the "quick friends" angle. Just show up often enough, and this will happen automatically, but don't be that desperate guy who immediately wants to be everybody's best friend. One of the best ways to meet people, guys and girls alike, are common activities. Maybe you can take some classes you find interesting, or play sports. Some kinds of sports are just excuses for socializing (or getting drunk), which would serve your agenda rather well, too. But focus on your your degree first. That should be your main priority.

    I think Johnny and me have given plenty of concrete advice. I think I just did, by the way.

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  12. Sleazy are you anti-cold approach?
    I too think it is massively inferior to social cirle-''game'' ( as much as I hate that word ) but I cant help but notice that there are guys out there have massive success with it .
    Take Scotty for exaple from GLL , his bud Chris (awesome guy too ) said that he cold approaches every day.
    So I think it depends on the guy -if he can t make it work , like Sean for example , then yes ,he is a creep.

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    1. I define cold approaching as indiscriminate approaching even in the absence of any indication that she could be interested, and I think that this is generally a bad idea. What Chris does, and what I recommend for some guys, too, though, is to be smart about the women you approach. We've discussed this on the forum in some depth, and my book Minimal Game gives a sufficient summary, too.

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    2. Sleazy knows Scotty - he doesn't do 'cold approach' per Sleazy's definition. He generally shoots girls eye contact and jumps on it if its warm. But yeah- he does almost everyday.

      I'm going to use your def. of cold approach from now on - because it will be a waste of time if all the girls a guy is approaching looks both hotter/cooler than than they do.

      Ohio State (and Western PA), specifically- the girls like REALLY masculine guys. I'm never seen a feminine looking/sounding guy have much luck their whatsoever. Pretty boy is one thing - feminine/are-you-gay-guy is another.

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    3. Sleazy do you still remember the discussion you had with Mark Manson (idiot) on this issue?

      I was the one guy (crazyhorse) on his forum who actually understood your article and his replies were just outlandish.

      Stuff like:

      - Dude if I would approach every girl that gave me eye contact I would be batting 5%. Just think about this, how horrible would that be? I mean having a surplus of women without having to be Mr. super sensitive vulnerable all the time.

      This guy just doesn't get it.

      What's worse is that this guy teaches! And this sometimes leads to people saying they are in therapy right before they take a girl home. Keep in mind that this is a one night stand situation and it's all in the name of vulnerability.

      I'm going to write a review about him, since I was active on his forum for quite some time. It will contain some great information for you.

      I especially loved Zac's "I reject every girl that I don't approach" line.... He said it helped him.....

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    4. Yeah, I remember that. The problem with Mark Manson is that he tries making a living with this stuff. Apparently it hasn't worked out so well with PUA, so he's now doing some kind of Tony Robbins/Tim Ferriss thing.

      His statements are so absurd that my head hurts when I read them. Can you link me to a post where a guy said to a chick that he was in therapy? I'd love to read that.

      My favorite piece of Mark Manson advice is that you have to be well-read to score chicks. I guess the meatheads who drag chicks into bathroom stalls in megaclubs got there by extensively quoting Dostojevski to her beforehand.

      Keep me updated about that review you mentioned! Maybe I can give you some publicity. You can also email me using the contact form on my website. If you want to send me an attachment, then send me a brief message first via the form, and I'll reply via email.

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    5. Here's the thread:

      http://markmanson.net/forum/Thread-She-went-for-a-cigar-and-never-came-back?highlight=therapy

      I don't ditch therapy at all, since our buddy Sean Larson could use some of it as well but guys there's a time and place for everything!

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    6. My jaw is still on the floor. I'm speechless.

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  13. What's your thoughts on Cocky/Funny Aaron? I would love to hear you break it down. In my experience it has been absolutely horrible in the long run. It gave me a false personality that I thought was good because I could get out of my shell and make girls laugh. It was like some real-life Dr. Jeckyll/Mr. Hideish. But I never actually got laid from it. There was girls who were attracted to me that eventually lost interest in me and it ruined my reputation somewhat. I mean I said things I would have NEVER said to a strange girl. Sometimes even outright mean things! A weird thing was thatI didn't know how to move the interaction forward because I would have to switch from this false arrogant joking personality. It was weird being physical with that personality. For example, I'd push a girl away after she was being a affectionate for "too long". I felt so fake doing it, I should have listened to my instincts and dropped it earlier. It was SO mentally exhausting. Now I'm back to square one. I dropped the PUA garbage, but now I'm still shy and clueless and probably worse off than before. What are your thoughts on that? Have you tried cocky/funny?

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  14. Check out Ratisse's stuff. You guys are looking at the wrong idiot for advice. Ratisse has fucked over 400 chicks. I learned from him. His body language is superior. I advise using hybrid game: Mostly natural game with routines peppered in.

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  15. Idk if that's true of Indian guys in general (at least those born outside of US) but there were at least 3 that I went sarging with in the past couple of years and they were all extremely socially inadequate. When they get ONE phone number over the course of a night (more like a week) they immediately start acting like huge pimps. Don't get me wrong they were nice guys albeit extremely cheap but they all were socially inept weirdos. It could be cultural I'm not sure. Yet none of them come even close to this excuse of a PUA.
    This Saun guy is so ugly and I'm being generous here that girls give him phone numbers out of pity. Seriously though don't shit where you eat dumbass.

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  16. I agree with your Minimal Game Sleazy. I've been telling guys who do pickup in my city to chill, go out have fun and approach girls who show some interest in you. By contrast they hammer off approaches and get no where. Meanwhile I'm able to have fbs, gfs, one night stands because I'm not burning out my energy on grabbing every chick that walks by so that the chick who would be interested doesn't get turned off when she first sees me.

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    1. I'm happy to hear that! It's quite amazing to see how effective some guys are at torpedoing themselves.

      Oh, if you've got a minute to spare, I'd really appreciate if you posted your comment as a review on Amazon. :)

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  17. Reminds me of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-world_experiment

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  18. Seen a link to this article... (What up Sleaze, it's been ages!! I remember chatting way back when you cosi, and TVA Oslo used to chat)

    Anywho, hopefully this "sean" guy sees this...

    I always say "Proof Is In The Pudding", it's one thing to have a few girls who simply don't mesh with you. It is a whole different ballpark if a UNIVERSITY the size of OSU end up being uncomfortable with your presence. It means YOU ARE THE ISSUE and not them.

    No one is keeping score, just accept the truth that at your current state of development you simply have alot of "internal" work to do. I can say with 100% conviction if your the "right guy" MAJORITY of women are going to want to be in your presence.

    When I look at your "environment" and think of potential possibilities NO WAY you'd catch me roaming during the daytime constantly approaching. Go have some fun, hang with your boys, bring along some girls and just focus on making the night memorable. I had a female friend who went to OSU all I will say is STOP WASTING YOUR POTENTIAL POSSIBILITIES of amazing times...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKu6UDlEqA

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  19. lol here's a vid of me banging a chick that would make most of you cream your pants if you shook her hand: link: youtu.be/zsMPiSocevU

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    1. 1) You are only kissing her, and there was absolutely nothing X-rated about that video, so please stop with your stupid exaggeration, like when you call every girl you pester on the street a "super model"/

      2) Most guys wouldn't even notice that girl.

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    2. LOL.
      Sean: Here's me banging a chick as hot as Jesse Jane. You'd jizz in your pants if you were just in the same room as her.
      *links to video with a sloppy makeout with some flabby chick that has a chin more pronounced than most men*

      Keep posting Sean! You're a total trip.

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    3. Some girls do everything with everyone.

      However, you did get me interested in some way. And I must say some of your clips do send out a clear message. Even though it's spelled more like 'Sexual predator'.

      Seriously dude, get away from that PUA shit ASAP and become a normal human being. You apparently have no idea how creepy you are like this. Well I would call security if I saw you around any of my friends.

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    4. So the secret to getting a girl to kiss you is simply grabbing her hand and placing it on your crotch. So simple...why didn't I think of that?

      Seriously, how much did that actress cost you?

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  20. Now imagine in a college town like that how bad this guy has screwed it up for other guys who want to legitimately approach women. Not only that but every foreign looking guy in Columbus has to pay for this dude's idiotic behavior. What we fail to take into account is that Ohio State is the BIGGEST CAMPUS in the United States, largest Undergrad population and this dude got so OCD with PUA that he managed to screw up his reputation there.

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    1. All you need to do is try to spark a normal conversation, look her in the eye, and not look like a bum. In short: don't try to come across as a sociopath and you'll be fine.

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  21. Not sure I agree with all this 'cold approach is bad' talk - there are some situations where it is fine. However a college campus is generally not good for direct cold approach, so although I'm not hating on this guy - I don't think it's the best socially calibrated way of meeting women. Campus in general are much better suited for indirect situational and social circle.

    Cold approach is still a good skill to learn (in other environments) - are you really going to wait to be introduced to EVERY girl you want to meet??

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    1. Of course you can be proactive, but creeping out literally an entire campus is something entirely different.

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  22. So one guy goes a little over the top in learning the game and all of a sudden pick up is bad? So he approached a shit ton of girls badly, so what? Was anyone hurt? Nope. The culture we have of shaming people who approach girls badly is horrible. It's bad for relationships, it's bad for male/female relations, it's just bad. There is nothing wrong with approaching women at all.

    Pick up can teach guys who have always been a bit socially awkward to get out of their shell and become far better men than most. You think this guy suffers from approach anxiety any more? Hell no, he most likely enjoys the attention you are giving him and the fact that he's got a 'reputation' as well.

    Oh and if you are going out in a big city and only meeting people within your own social circle or just outside it you are either not social enough, or you are going to the same place every week. I live in a city of 4 million, go out twice a week, and the only people I see regularly are the bouncers and bar staff at the bars I attend. Very rarely do I meet a girl I've spoken to before and if I do, I almost never recognise them.

    Yes, this guy fucked up a lot of approaches by not taking real "No's" for what they were and continued to try and escalate despite getting no interest (just because a girl isn't interested the first time doesn't mean you shouldn't have another shot later, it's only creepy if she makes it clear she's not interested and you continue to push). However, this blog, and the other one, just reeks of the "get back in your box" mentality that I absolutely hate. Let him approach, it doesn't affect you and this blog is nothing but white knight bullshit designed to make the reader seem 'good' at the expense of someone else.

    In a few years when this PUA has had more practice than anyone else, he WILL be really good. Then, rather than the shaming, out comes the jealousy. It's always the same.

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    1. So now I'm due for another wave of PUA shills or what? Listen, the problem is not with approaching girls per se --- in some situations this is certainly appropriate if not desired --- but with creeping out the biggest campus in the US. Is this so hard to understand for you?

      Also, once this guy grows up a little bit, he'll realize that his stupid "openers" did very little to help him gain confidence in real-world interaction. Or do you suggest he'll hit on 20,000 more girls to practice, "Nice weather today?"

      Your comment perfectly shows why pickup is such a problem: because guys who completely lack social skills do not realize that all their "practicing" makes them only worse, and that it pisses off everybody else. No, this has nothing to do with the "crab mentality" but with expecting your fellow man not to be a complete moron.

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    2. You lack nuance. There is a HUGE margin between approaching a few girls like a dork and becoming an Internet celebrity for grabbing girls and not letting them go when they ask. You will never get into trouble for being awkward with a few chicks as long as you don't threaten them. Read the Reddit feed again, many chicks were cornered by this dude who makes it clear that you have to "force dem hoez". Girls could legitimately wonder if a dude approaching thousands of girls, a lot of them multiple times without realizing it, not taking no for an answer and making them feel unsafe, was not a complete psycho, and therefore dangerous.

      If you behave like a psycho, people will assume you are one. Once again, it is one thing to be awkward, another to scare people and being a dick about it. I actually know a guy who was in the first position: he was reported, not with his name, on a school facebook page, but since he was not threatening, the girl was doing it in an amused manner, 2 or 3 people laughed about it and that was it.

      Your comment is idiot and dangerous because it suggests that what the creep does is an inevitable result of hitting on girls. It is absolutely not, and guess what, girls will NOT report a dude just for talking to them.

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    3. Also, as usual, 48 lays for the thousands of approaches he admits to have done is abysmal. he is battling 1%, it's ridiculous. He will not "get good", he will just pick on more counter-productive habits, encouraged by idiots like you who do not judge PUA based on results, but on ideology.

      Keep on creepin', dude.

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    4. I'm not mocking him for approaching women- having the balls to do so is the only admirable thing about his handling of the situation.

      What I am mocking is his blatant lack of respect for women and any kind of social standard, really. This isn't some guy who uttered a pickup line he thought sounded cool only for the woman to tell him otherwise- he's acting in ways that would make *any* reasonable person uncomfortable. Does targeting the *same* girl *six times* or cornering another one and stroking her hair uninvited sound like something even a reasonable person would find as anything other than creepy behaviour? I know PUAs are known for being cavalier with a woman's boundaries but I'd like to think even PUAs have their limits and have *some* sense of social decorum, unlike Larson who has none.

      I also doubt the PUA concept is going to help him at all. Pick-Up Artistry tends to follow the same basic theme of being ultimately disrespectful of women. It's mostly subtle but sometimes it's blatant, as, no matter what the belief, it's pounded into the PUA head that women have no choice about who they sleep with, because- as the PUA claims- any man can "program" the woman to find him worthy for sex, which should rankle just about anyone.

      It's this disrespect of women that I find troubling the most, a disrespect that is the real reason why "men are not scoring" than any perceived shaming of a man for his failures. Someone upthread mentions guys like Larson ruin it for other foreigners who may be awkward but well-meaning, since they'll all get written off as creeps. I agree, without constructing it in a racial context, since I think Larson ruins it for everyone regardless of their race. People like Larson reinforce the idea in women that "there are creeps out there, creeps you need to watch out for", which will hinder any guy whose social skills are not top notch. Awkwardness and creepiness are hard to distinguish (and are subjective terms as it is), so once you throw in "hyper-vigilance", you leave women no choice but to err on the side of caution when trying to interpret whether a guy is simply awkward or is really a creep.

      Because...let's face it...if you were a woman, would you really want to open yourself up to guys when you know dangerous ones are out there?

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  23. This is the The Godfather of PUA videos and essential viewing for brainwashed PUA tards. If you can't watch this and see all the problems of PUA from this video then it's likely you will continue to be a member of the PUA cult. It's 10 min of your life you won't get back, but I think this video should be on the national curriculum for schools in the UK, USA and Canada.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuceTz9gZRQ

    -Notice how "normal" and attractive the "AFC" at 6 minutes is compared to this PUA Master aka freak.

    I was the subject of your "Sexy Engineer" Post , after coming across this video I had to comment on your blog again.

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  24. I don't really have sympathy for the girls creep out. This guy is the natural result of female laziness when it comes to romance. Let them suffer the fall out! lol

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