Call: Bogus Community Concepts

I will soon release a (free) ebook based on my talk "Overcoming the Seduction Community". The people I have mentioned this to thought as well that this was a great idea. Some suggested to discuss some particularly harmful community concepts. As a consequence, I have expanded the draft to include examples of the mental masturbation that is so rampant in the community.

One section will be on Mystery's "Seven Hour Rule". One guy commented:

Also, do me a favor, dedicate an entire chapter in your ebook bashing the 7 hour rule and why it is bullshit. I've read field reports from guys who had a girl in their bedroom dripping wet, but didn't fuck her because they didn't want to break the 7 hour rule and have "fool's mate". Mystery is by far the worst guru in my opinion. 

What is your favourite nonsense concept? Feel free to send me an email or comment below.

A first draft should be out next week. I intend to regularly update the ebook, so feel free to email me any time.

Some Pickup Videos that further demonstrate my Point

Some people don't know when to stop. Routine Evangelist, the dude that wanted to tell me that I am full of sh*t replied to me, twice. For some reason it's always the least successful people that take offense to brutal honesty. On a Dutch seduction forum the only guy who criticised my talk "Overcoming the Seduction Community" incidentally referred to Neil Strauss' "The Game" as "his bible" and is probably still dreaming of getting a handjob.

First, Routine Evangelist's commentary to RSD Brad's laughable in-field video was:

Ok, so there's an "instructor" seducing a totally drunk girl and she basically says let's go somewhere else *HINT* and he's just being a douche ("are you from here?" sigh).

MAYBE he didn't want to leave because he wanted to make some more videos. I hope for him that's the reason.

You sometimes encounter this behaviour from sophomore students: "If you've been refuted and can't admit that you were wrong, just claim the most ridiculous thing you can think of and hope that your opponent gets tired of replying to you." His argument doesn't deserve any further comment. If you think it does, you may want to work on your reasoning skills.

But onto his follow-up:

Here's a hairless weird guy doing something that would scare most
people sh*tless, right there on the street, using some kind of
hypnotic routine.. And it's working like a charm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RHTlSKMQzY

Here's another random PU vid from youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFjAb-fvzPs

I know what people are thinking.. Russian girls are easy.. Let's keep
going then, shall we..

Next video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilxw4okzKj8

Cool day game ;p

Does any of the videos suggest that the guys had sex with those girls later? I thought so. Here are some basic issues:

1) "Hypnosis" only works on susceptible people. It's a complete sham anyway, feel free to do your own research. He could have skipped most of the talking. If you are really good at seduction, you "feel" how susceptible she is and just escalate.

2) Yad talks way too much. He could have gotten the same much quicker.

3) Tim is also just bla bla bla.

The issue with "game" is that you guys spout it out no matter what, not realising when the girl is ready. My point still remains: you "pick up" girls that want to be picked up. The girl is already interested and the guy waffles on like there is no tomorrow (cf. Yad). Here is a question for you: if routines and all those techniques work so well, then how come you routines-junkies get rejected so many times?

Also, dude, what is the big deal with getting make outs anyway?

"But the community stuff works, dude, it really does!"

Apparently my slides on "Overcoming the Seduction Community" are spreading like wildfire. To compare it, Love Systems has 107 documents on Scribd, and 100 of those have less reads than my slides had after just two days. Anyway, onto a recent email:

First of all, I'd like to say you're not necessarily incorrect with most of your statements.. They can be true for a lot of people.. However..

How do you explain my friends and me, who live in Belgium (not UK/London or USA) who use a lot of routines etc. to Date, have relationships, fuck buddies etc. If the PU world is so full of shit.. Why does all that stuff work? One of my friends has a habit of constaly keeping 5-6 fuck buddies/open polygamous relationships. He uses routines all the time. He learned the game. If I tell him 5-10 women a year is a lot he'll laugh at me. Also, how do you explain the huge amount of pick-up videos shot "in-field" that show the game as taught by David Deangelo (a "marketer"), Mystery (a "magician"), etc WORK?

So if you could please offer an explanation for these facts I'd be very pleased to objectively read it AND if you convince me I WILL get your material and WILL advertise your material using Facebook and my network for free.

The quote in bold is the kicker, btw.

So, let's pull some magic out of Youtube's hat and have a look at this hapless amateur -- oh, I'm sorry, I meant to write "professional pickup instructor from RSD aka Real Social Dynamics":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42A_PXAPn3k

The woman tries to hand him his pussy over and over, and "Brad-" is too insecure to deal with the situation. His own comments on the video are nothing but hilarious: "starting kino escalaton ;)".

This short clip is a great expression of what is wrong with "game": guys don't seem to understand that woman really want to have sex. Really. They are yours for the taking. However, a guy educated in "game" misses all the signs and follows some inane theory on how to get girls when he has just to take them. Seduction is always mutual. The girl wants to be kissed, and the guy thinks of ways of "getting from A1 to A2" (if you don't get this reference, good for you, it's a jab at Mystery Method).

It is not the case that "game" works. People merely believe it does because they fail to realise that the woman is already interested. Yet, they keep on spouting out their lines, but because they focus too little on what is in front of them, they waste their time in the best case. In the worst case, though, they lose the girl because most women can't stand guys that don't dare to make a move. You don't get girls because of "game" -- you get them despite game, because they were tolerant enough to put up with it.

About the "5 to 10 women" bit in my seminar. The context was that if you have a life (!) outside of pickup, go out once or twice a month, have some hobbies, friends and the like, then this number is pretty decent.

Lastly, about the in-field videos: what do they exactly show? Some dude too afraid to ask for a number directly ("number close routine"), another guy too afraid to make a move (like the RSD guy above)? Probably I am missing something here... Feel free to point me to a source and I'll show you how this guy is wasting time with his "method" or f*cking it up royally.