BradP loves him some money!

I'm currently preparing two articles on BradP, but as a warmup, here's something I don't know whether I should laugh or cry about: His latest offering called "Millionaire Makeover". The price is a modest $100k. Surely, that's not exactly chump change. The reader who sent me that info commented, "$100k...what a joke!!", and I am sure if you have a sane bone left in your body, you'll agree.

But, hey, for that amount of money you'll receive some great stuff, like:

Lifestyle Streamlining
Positivity training

Wow. Where do I sign up for that?

Are you as lonely as Vin DiCarlo?

I promised to dissect a few of Vin DiCarlo's email newsletters, but unfortunately I barely made it past the title of his latest one, which was called:

"The Loneliest Day Of My Life.."

Student of BradP dates widespread bikini girl image!

Whenever you think that the people in the seduction industry have hit a new low, such as BradP with his "two IT guys", it doesn't take much until you realize that this was just the beginning. So, to use one of RSD's Tyler Durden's favourite metaphors, "Let's venture deeper down the rabbit hole."

While it was fishy enough that BradP used an image that was spread on other websites, as my first source pointed out, another reader was quick to direct me to Google Images, a picture search engine. He was kind enough to create a permanent link as well. Now, please take some minutes and click on that link. The results will really blow your mind!

Hold your breath --- because we get 720 results for that image!

Badboy Teaser

Martin sent me a link to a clip with Badboy, and I had no idea what to make of it:



Is he drunk or what is the issue here? Jesus.

How to Score Chicks with A.S.S.

Recently I was told about a series of videos that constitutes the in my opinion best parody of the pickup community I have come across so far (Thanks for the links, Jameson!). Nothing against OGFurious, who is amazing too, but what "Mr Ho 2000"/Phil Choi has produced is of a quality that even blows the "six figure production value" of Real Social Dynamics out of the water. The last comparison was of course not meant to be serious.

Not only does Mr Ho 2000 understand the amateurish design language in this industry perfectly: 

...he has also mastered the language, hyping, and how to switch the "emotional hot buttons" of insecure men. In the first video, Mr Ho 2000 describes the problems of Asian men that can't compete with white men anymore:

The next video is quite amazing. It is a shockingly (sur-)real reenactment of a seminar. If you think I'm kidding, go to one of those "free" RSD speeches, if they still offer them, or watch any seminar recording. A few times I got invited to attend "lectures" free of charge, and it was every bit as cringe-worthy as the following video. The opening speech seems highly inspired by Mr. M from Love Systems:

The lame jokes are commonplace too, but Phil Choi tells them with a much better intonation than any professional "guru". As a last comment, let me add that the motivational exercises are actually even worse in real life. This is not exaggerated at all. Some guys have you jump up and down, hug the other guys in the room and shout "My game is a ten!" and other nonsense.

By the way, the "seduction" at 1:35 is much closer to reality than it might seem.

It doesn't have to be pointed out, but I feel like it: in terms of presentation and "delivery" this guy blows every guru out of the water. Remember that clown Tyler from RSD? Good, because I like when people agree with me.

In part II of the video, you can witness the guys practicing "on a real woman". If you think this is absurd, you should watch Mystery's show "The Pickup Artist", where the acolytes do this. Also, Gambler's company PUATraining has the same shtick. In my not so humble opinion, you must be pretty thick if you think that you can learn something from running a scripted routine on a girl that got paid to listen to your drivel, you are beyond help:

And what comes after a seminar? Of course a "field trip". The reactions of the women are priceless and very real:

The use of pepper spray in the last scene was probably a bit over the top, but I did hear of stories (confirmed by very trustworthy sources) of people getting arrested by the police during day game sessions (because the "PUAs" were thought to be pickpockets), or people getting slapped and beaten up. Some of Badboy's students could elaborate on that.

You can find all those videos on BootCampForBooty.com, or on the YouTube channel of mrho2000 himself. Please share them. They deserve to be spread.

You stay classy, Real Social Dynamics!

While certainly not as entertaining as watching The Legend of Ron Burgundy, there is at nonetheless some entertainment value in browsing the website of Real Social Dynamics.

After posting The Marketing Syndicate and the Business Cycle of the Seduction Industry, Part I, one of my facebook friends commented on the note, informing me about a recent book release of Real Social Dynamics. The title in question is called "Physical Game Book", written by their instructor Ozzie, and available for the hefty price of $29.95. While far from the amounts required to purchase DVD sets, it's still far above what you'd usually expect to pay for books.

But what's wrong with trying to sell a book, you might ask.

Nothing, would it not be the case that they use "forced continuity", which is one of the shadiest marketing techniques in the scammy corners of the Internet, which is where the Seduction industry usually gathers. Forced continuity means that you click to buy a cheap front-end product and during one of the check-out phases, the software automatically adds a subscription based service which you have to opt out. It's shady and misleading, and it is laudable that companies such as VISA and Mastercard have started to go after companies that employ "free trials" and forced continuity programmes.

But, on to RSD and what is called by Mastercard a "negative option enrollment", meaning that you have to opt-out, otherwise you will be billed. RSD apparently didn't get the news and I hope they'll get their just rewards sooner rather than later.

On their sales page, the book is $29.95, and they speak of free bonuses:

But look what you get once you click on the prominently placed "by now" links:

You might ask yourself, "Gosh, what's wrong with the sum here?"

I did so too, then I looked up and saw this:

....and only if you disable the box, the price reverts back to $29.95. It doesn't stop here, by the way.

If you click on "learn more", you will learn that you actually pay a shipping fee of $5. Have a look:

And this concludes today's case study on the dishonesty and scammy nature of the Seduction industry on the example of Real Social Dynamics, which also brings me back to Ron Burgundy. Please substitute San Diego for "Real Social Dynamics" in the following clip:

Random Notes on “The Syndicate”

My previous two posts were mostly discussing parallels between the seduction industry and the Internet marketing industry. If you are so inclined, please also check out some of the blog comments of the original article over at Salty Droid. There are many interesting comments to be found, especially due to the overlap of those two industries.

At the time of writing this, Salty Droid’s "The Internet Marketing Syndicate" had 591 comments. I have skimmed those and you may want to, if you have an interest in learning how those scammers operate, since some more techniques get exposed there. Unsurprisingly, there are further parallels to the way the seduction industry works, and there is plenty of “gold” in it. Also, if you dig around deeper at this site, you will find hilarious posts such as one by Ross Jeffries (!), calling out Internet marketer Ryan Geiss because that guy’s product “didn’t work”. I wonder whether Ryan Geiss is bitching somewhere else on the Internet that Ross Jeffries products didn’t help him either.

Furthermore, some days after the publication of the original article, Salty Droid released a “best of” of the comments, and this article has now attracted 135 more comments itself.

The Fishermen Realization

A user on my forum who goes by the name of feeltheburn wrote a most insightful post with the title “The Fishermen Realization”, which deals with one of the core issues of “pickup”, which is also the least addressed one since it undermines the justification for the existence of this shady industry. You won’t find many people openly talking about it, because you couldn’t sell a “bootcamp” if you told this to people. But enough with building expectations and wetting your appetite to read this most insightful thread!

Here’s a quote from the post to set the scene. All of you can probably relate to it.

So a PUA comes back from a night out and writes a FR. You read about him going out spotting the girl across the room, moving in, surrendering to the vibe, the build up of sexual tension, about magical eye contact that charms the girl like a spell and the grand finale of him butt fucking her in her apartment.

And what actually happened was he went in a venue got blown out with 5-10 girls either directly by the girl rejecting them or indirectly via 'feeling the ground' (by hovering near her, forcing eye contact, touching them, dancing in her direction/near her etc. ) and then stumbles upon a girl that doesn’t reject him and they hook up.

I couldn’t agree more.

However, because the proponents of the seduction industry, due to their obvious financial interests, have to claim that “anyone can succeed with girls” --- but not just regular girls, you can get actresses, supermodels and strippers, too. They are all yours for the taking if you just learn some inane "routines" and dress like a harlequin!

Unlike the previous caricature, which sadly is a reality if you look at the sales pitches of Love Systems et al., a much more realistic perspective is that it’s simply the girls who are doing the choosing, which leaves us with exactly two possible outcomes:

1. She likes you --- and therefore it doesn’t matter what you say and do
2. She doesn’t like you --- and therefore it doesn’t matter what you say and do

There is of course a third category, the “grey zone girls”, as I call them in my free ebook “Debunking the Seduction Community”, where you can f*ck things up because the girl is only somewhat interested, but at the same time not disinterested enough in you to tell you to take a hike. This is indeed the only area where “game” plays a minor role, but it’s less important than you might think because the girl will quickly decide whether 1) or 2) is the case. Speaking from my own life and adventures, the instances where I had to actively “game” a girl for a long time were rather rare if not almost unheard of. As a side note, a prime case was the girl I wrote about in the chapter “Against considerable Resistance” in my paperback book Sleazy Stories.

But let’s not stray too far from feeltheburn’s post "The Fishermen Realization". Here’s another quote from him:

At this point of the game I really think that its all about looking good and approaching.

This is probably the most succinct summary of what it takes to get girls I have ever come across. If you are not approaching, you will have a hard time getting laid, no matter how good looking you are. Girls will hardly ever do all the work for you. Of course this doesn’t mean that all hope is lost if you are not good looking. Also, consider the fact that you are probably a lot better looking than you think you are. (And if not, then stop eating fast food and start exercising.)

Surely, companies such as Mystery Method, Love Systems, PUA Training, Real Social Dynamics rather have you shelling out thousands for dubious “in-field training” instead of telling it like it is, which would then save you a ton of money and wasted effort. Skipping the misguided and confusing theories of 99% of pickup companies and dating coaches --- to me they are nothing but a source for entertainment --- would allow you to focus on drastically improving your odds by working on what really counts.

Here is more from feeltheburn:

Good looking guys who approach a lot get laid. Bad looking guys who go approach a lot get laid but less and by girls who are less hot. As far as cold approaching is concerned, the only people that do improve are the good looking ones that read the articles and just start to approach women. The only reason they didn't get laid is because they didn't make themselves available to pussy and thats it, no magic and fairy dust and pixies, just hard cold reality. The good looking ones get regularly laid by hot girls in a year or two after being exposed to the community, the bad looking ones won't get laid regularly by them in 200+ years.

I am also starting to believe that for every good “field report” there are 129847 ones that could be written about the same person getting destroyed (rejected) by a girl and that (as long as “approach anxiety” is taken care of) seduction is a numbers game and doesn't really have any room for improvement in that regard.

I had a very similar insight some time ago, which led me to write my article “Good Good Sets vs Bad Good Sets”, because it struck me that writing field reports, while helpful when you are starting out and have some fundamental issues to fix, are pretty much rubbish once you’ve gotten a handful (or two) of girls or so.

This is the reasoning behind this drastic statement: Sometimes you have a “great interaction”, but the girl would not fuck you even if you were the only guy around, simply because there is virtually zero sexual interest from her side. However, seemingly competent guys, blind to this fact, all too often happily write up the stories of their encounters and ask, “But how could I have gotten her?”

Those reports are sometimes really painful to read, because they could be dealt with quickly by saying, “Never in your life.” Those are the “bad good sets”, which seem to trip so many guys up. On the other hand, the “good good sets” are where there was simply a logistical issue that prevented you from getting laid. Some possible reasons are: there was an attendant in the bathroom, it was cold outside, and you’ve had to work the next day. Or maybe you’ve pissed off her friend… In any case, in those instances it is possible to point out what the problem was. In the other case it’s not.

Apart from that, it’s essentially nothing but bullshit and mental masturbation.

Making Money Online vs Pulling Girls

The seduction industry is relatively small. Someone recently said, if it were a house, it would be a shack in the woods with neither electricity nor running water. However, this industry is very similar to the "making money online" industry, which is just as fraudulent. Its beyond the scope of my blog to cover the latter in any detail, though. However, Salty Droid, one of the blogs I follow in this area recently posted some interesting (and elegant, as my mathematics teacher would say) graphics.

It doesn't take much to see how this is applicable to the seduction industry as well:

(source: Salty Droid)

My View on PUAHate.com

A number of people recently asked me why I was promoting PUAHate.com so much. First of all, I don’t think this site is without its flaws. There are way too many trolls on there and even serious discussions regularly get hi-jacked. However, you quickly learn to disregard useless contributions and can focus on the good stuff.

The unique value of this site lies, IMO, in its openness. It is the only bigger forum where you can freely speak your mind about the seduction community. Of course, some people are taking it too far, and sadly a great many of them seem to be rather immature and/or unable to use proper English. Arguing with those people is about as productive as teaching dolphins how to climb trees. The worst aspect of this site, though, is that some people only “hate” the community because they are unwilling to admit their own failures at life. Frankly, someone who hadn’t gotten laid in over a year has no business bashing anything, and sadly those are sometimes the most vocal people on this site.

However, despite all those shortcomings I have found a lot of gems on PUAHate and met a few very critical and intelligent people. I am glad this website exists, and I am thankful for all the “lulz” it provides.

Get out while you can

I gave a talk in Chicago last week. The crowd was pretty excited and I met a number of very interesting people. Among the topics we've discussed was the role of pickup and seduction in your life. One guy in the audience commented:

Isn't it somewhat ironic that you are now in a relationship, after acquiring all those skills?

I don't think it is.

There is a time for everything in life. I think it is rather sad to see people age, while their behavior doesn't change. This is especially true for people within the community, no matter whether they ever got the level of success they were dreaming about or not. I also recently read an interesting thread on PUAHate in which the user Jakal makes the following statement regarding Ross Jeffries, one of the pioneers of this industry:

People still buy his stuff, but if any of you see him today, he's a gray haired, washed up stubbled face jew who is just miserable and lonely in his studio Marina Del Ray apartment.   

I think there is nothing more miserable than a fifty or sixty year old player. It's like forty year old guys walking around in sports clothes (a rather common sight in the States). This is excusable for a fourteen year old. Or think of club girls with wrinkled faces, wearing their daughter's clothes. Life either drags us down, or we accept that we have to grow up as we grow older and change or roles accordingly.

While discussing some related ideas in my upcoming ebook, my friend Corley sent me an article by Toecutter, once a prominent poster on mASF. (The article in question was from a private lounge, though.) Here is an excerpt:

Take a reality check at your lives, fellas. Turn off the bullshit for a second, and examine your own relationships with women. How is it going? Is the community fucking you up? If so, QUIT! Like now. Quit the fucking thing. Get on with your life. Because how would you feel if you could fast forward to 10 years later, and it is still the same as today? 10 years fucking fly, man! You will be 10 years older before you know it. Would you be happy to be still chasing tail and getting the same results that you are getting at the moment?

In fact, "chasing tail" is certainly entertaining, but sooner or later there will be the point where it becomes repetitive. I had such an experience less than a year ago when I was out in Berlin at Berghain, once my favorite clubs (but it has completely gone down a cliff). I was seeing three girls simultaneously, and another girl was dancing in front of me, trying to get my attention. As I was about to make a move, I thought to myself, "Why do you even bother with this? All you have to do is pick up the phone if you want to get laid." At this point I realised what could almost be called the idiocy of pickup.

Once the thrill of the chase is gone and you've seen enough and done it all (and I have certainly seen and experienced what most men only know from porn movies), it really becomes boring. Sure, some guys are obsessed with increasing their "lay count" above everything else, but if you play the game this way, you can never "win". Or do you want to feel like Sisyphos?

Call: Bogus Community Concepts

I will soon release a (free) ebook based on my talk "Overcoming the Seduction Community". The people I have mentioned this to thought as well that this was a great idea. Some suggested to discuss some particularly harmful community concepts. As a consequence, I have expanded the draft to include examples of the mental masturbation that is so rampant in the community.

One section will be on Mystery's "Seven Hour Rule". One guy commented:

Also, do me a favor, dedicate an entire chapter in your ebook bashing the 7 hour rule and why it is bullshit. I've read field reports from guys who had a girl in their bedroom dripping wet, but didn't fuck her because they didn't want to break the 7 hour rule and have "fool's mate". Mystery is by far the worst guru in my opinion. 

What is your favourite nonsense concept? Feel free to send me an email or comment below.

A first draft should be out next week. I intend to regularly update the ebook, so feel free to email me any time.

"Overcoming the Seduction Community" / Slides

Here they are:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27726947/

...plus the description from Scribd.com:

I gave a talk in Rotterdam at the "Real Man Conference Try Out." Five speakers were invited, and the audience was supposed to select people to speak at the Real Man Conference in April 2010.

My talk "Overcoming the Seduction Community" was on the many wrong concepts that are being taught within the seduction community, and what the core of pickup really is. (Yes, it's that simple.)

If you are stuck doing "routine-based" or "indirect" game and not really getting anywhere, those slides might give you some inspiration.

I got a standing ovation from the audience for this talk and glowing reviews from the attendants. Due to other commitments I can't come to the RMC in April, though.

"Hearing him talk was enough to go through the annoyances of the other speakers and intermissions though.."
--Sailing, ThePlace.bz

Some of the attendants asked me for the slides, and a little later more people emailed me, so it seems that there is enough interest to share this PDF publicly.

From Masturbation to Mental Masturbation

Last weekend I gave a talk in Rotterdam with the title "Overcoming the Seduction Community." The event was the "Real Man Conference Try Out." The aim of this event was to try out a couple of speakers for the Real Man Conference in Aachen, Germany this April. During this time I won't be in Europe, so I decided to tone down the mainstream appeal of my talk and risk pissing off some people. After all, I am know as a staunch critic of the seduction industry/community.

Here is one of the slides I have used:

Of the many problems inherent in the seduction community, mental masturbation is one of the most severe. The amount of people who theorize based on other people's theories or on precious little real-life experience is staggering.

Phone Game is a particularly fascinating topic. After having gotten a number -- without realising how absurdly simple this is -- Joe Douche pulls out some fancy text game routines, and eventually phone game tactics, without realising these facts:

• If she likes you, she will just meet up with you.
• If she doesn't like you, she won't (but feel free to entertain her).

Even worse for Joe Douche: He doesn't know that a seducer either gets the girl on the same night or arranges a meet-up, should sex not be an option. If you can't think of anything to do, try: "Let me think of something. I'll call you tomorrow." Then you call her --- and if she doesn't answer and doesn't call you back, she is not interested. In this case, you do not go online to ask for advice on how to "turn it around."

Some weeks ago I had an almost bizarre discussion on the Casanova Crew message board. I told some guys to forget about numbers, and a guy named Decibel, who apparently thinks he is a seducer because girls occasionally go on dates with him (this misconception should make for another illuminating post) dared to disagree. He told me he had a "system" that allowed him to have dates with 80% of the girls whose numbers he gets. Personally, I smell bullshit whenever I hear such statements. The most amusing statement, though, was when he claimed that going out, meeting girls, collecting numbers and then "running txt game" was more efficient than going out and pulling a girl on the same night. The latter is probably inconceivable for him, which led him to claim the former.

So, once again, let's bring some sense into this discussion and assume that your "80% and txt phone game" is indispensable. Ask yourself this question:

Could it be that a girl that is interested to meet up would do so in any case?

I think she would. And even if she belongs to the few that are in the grey zone called "kinda interested" --- it is a much better use of time to just forget about those girls. Your day is as long as mine, and surely you have better things to do than wasting time on the phone. Thus, forget about your Excel spread sheet with all those phone numbers, which you call every Monday. If "pickup" feels like work, then there is something wrong with it.

Pickup in New York City

Guys on mASF regularly said after reading "lay reports" by me or some of my friends that "game must be so much easier in Europe" or "I gotta come to Europe soon." Apparently, in their dreamland all you have to do in Europe is showing up to a club and the girls will drag you to the bathrooms or back home. It's not really like that. Further, some claim or assume that European girls are so much more open when it comes to sex, neglecting the fact that in some areas catholicism is still epidemic. However, from my observations of having spent four weeks in New York City, the issue is -- surprise, surprise -- all due to the behaviour of the guys. I have witnessed a level of passiveness in the States I have never seen anywhere else. I wondered why people in most European countries don't give a "flying f*ck" about pickup, whereas it's a multi-million industry in the US.

One night I showed up in a hipster bar in Williamsburg. All the girls were dancing, and the guys were standing at the bar, extremely close together. In fact, they were standing so close that I involuntarily perceived it as an expression of latent homosexuality. In other clubs I saw what one might want to call "music video behaviour". The most ridiculous performance was by a group of five guys who stood at the periphery, trying to act cool (and not moving at all). What is this nonsense?

On the other hand, in more upscale venues such as Marquee, you have an unhealthy combination of "attention whoring" and groping. Probably it is because you have to be over 21 to enter a night club that women act so incredibly juvenile. The guys were not much better and trying to indiscriminately grind up to literally anything that moved. It felt like high school all over again.

In all those cases, basic social skills would go a long way. It's certainly not that the girls don't want to talk to guys. It's quite the opposite. In fact, I have been approached by more girls in those four weeks than in the last year in Europe. This could well be a New York issue due to the surplus of women, though. Nonetheless, "game" is certainly not harder in the States.

Mainstream Pickup and Seduction Forums

I owe a lot of my development to mASF, probably the oldest public seduction forum around. In 2008 I was lucky that one of the most experienced members on that forum, Nashvilleplayboy, became my mentor and extensively commented on my field reports. Without him, my development would have taken much longer. Only after months I began to read more extensively in other areas of that forum (outside of the field reports section), and was appalled at the state of affairs: it's not the one-eyed leading the blind but the blind trying to lead the blind. Some of the highlights were when complete "keyboard jockeys" clash. Hilarity usually ensues.

Indeed one of the main problems of public forums is quality control. Everybody can contribute and unfortunately even the most inexperienced people think they have something valuable to say. Sadly, this is not the case. A further problem is that many newbies confuse "post count" or seniority as expressed by an early join date with actual competence. In the case of mASF the consequence is that one of the biggest KJs with a total of ca. three lays under his belt -- in about ten years -- is one of the highest ranked members. Needless to say, this dude commands quite a bit of respect over there.

I am not saying that those problems are only rampant on mASF. If you have a look at other large public forums, like the "MPUA Forum" or the "Attraction Forum", the latter backed by LoveSystems, or, probably the worst of all, RSD Nation, you can only stare in disbelief at what's going on over there. Incompetence is paired with hero-worshipping, and in some instances incompetence extends to the alleged "gurus". (If you want to have a laugh at LoveSystems, check the Thread "Where can I watch Lovesystems" over at PUAHate.com)

People seem to not question anything the "big shots" say, not realising that many of those people are mediocre with women at best and full of insecurities. I can only laugh at how much "being social" is stressed by the biggest players in this industry. Another company is most concerned with "giving value". Well, as long as they bask in their "nimbus of glory", everything is great, I assume. Being delusional is certainly a great way of dealing with one's own insufficiencies.

In an attempt to rectify the sad situation of public forums, which for the most part will make you worse, not better, we at TheSeducers.com have started our own forum, which will keep users in a sandbox until they have convinced us with their abilities.

In order to buffer against the idiocy/keyboard jockeying/trolling of most forums, while still trying to be as public as possible, we're introducing a message board with a two-tier system. All new users have view and post access to the boards in the Sandbox. The Sandbox is meant for beginners and new users. When, through their posting history or through the recommendation of a trusted user, a new user demonstrates they are not an idiot/keyboard jockey/troll but actually a seducer (budding, competent, or expert) they gain access to The Seducer's boards. The Seducer's Boards are viewable to all, but can only be posted on by approved users. Approved users have the user title "Seducer". Demonstrations of actual practicing of seduction (like field reports and other posts that indicate time in field), as opposed to mere proclamations of expertise, are what will lead to promotion to the higher boards.

If you are serious about improving your game, join us over there!